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Re: Posts from Banning of Joe Faust at hanggliding.org

Postby Quote » Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:56 am

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By DMarley - Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:37 am #404970

DMarley wrote:And I just saw that you put Larry Tudor's name on your ill-begotten list. Did you get his permission, or did you merely stick in it there because you knew his name? And then his name is linked to your friend's site that has ridiculous posts of Larry being put to death in Korea, of Larry killing himself, of all sorts of ridiculous rhetoric pointing to Larry Tudor. You should be terribly ashamed of yourself. You are giving all of us pilots a bad name by doing this underhanded bs.
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Re: Posts from Banning of Joe Faust at hanggliding.org

Postby Quote » Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:56 am

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By joefaust - Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:45 am #404973

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DMarley wrote:Joe,

So now you're adding to your list dead pilots and pilots who have obviously no desire to be on your list?
You're obviously attempting to legitimize your little club by incredibly ill means. Deceased pilots? Really?
Mark Forbes? Really? And you're linking to Mark's videos that don't indicate who the pilot is in each vid?

I would be highly surprised to hear that Mark gave you permission to put his endorsement on your club by adding his name to your list of pilots. You're club is appearing to be more and more ill-conceived and ill-guided. Is that the kind of organization that you want to be known as? The kind of club who's leaders would induct deceased pilots? Would you also vote in public elections under the name of deceased voters?

Have some respect at least for the deceased if not for yourself.


DMarley,

Your note seems to be missing facts, assuming what is not fact, and then building statements on assumptions or beliefs that miss the mark about ushgrs.org.

1. ushgrs.org is not a club, not an association, but an agency for certifying recreational hang glider ratings proposed by facts witnessed. There is no memberships offered nor accepted. The agent is independent of other entities. One does not join ushgrs.org, dead or alive. ushgrs.org goes through a profound checking process. One cannot obtain a statement of a rating by virtue of asking or applying. One may submit data on one's behalf or on the behalf of another recreational pilot as an instructor, observer, mentor, airman, etc. Submitting data about a recreational pilot--dead or alive--does not force a production of a rating process; but if a rating process occurs resulting in a statement by ushgrs.org, then that pilot has for life and beyond a rating stated by ushgrs.org.

2. From the beginning of hang gliding history pilots --- dead or alive --- have been rated. ushgrs.org continues that strong historically based tradition.

3. So far, only one rated pilot asked for a taking off their Pilot Page some image and non-core information about themselves. ushgrs.org will respond to requests with careful consideration.

4. ushgrs.org adds statements in Pilot Pages and on the indexing lists only after a recreational hang glider pilot has shown public recreational hang gliding activity. It is the aim of ushgrs.org to rate to H0 through H4 only every pilot that shows evidence of having a flight connection with the airspace over the United States or its possessions. ushgrs.org keeps an interest in deceased recreational hang glider pilots.

5. ushgrs.org has no need to ask a dead or alive recreational pilot whether they want or want not to be rated for hang gliding proficiency. But ushgrs.org receives requests for being rated.

6. It is beneficial and honorable to pay attention to recreational hang glider pilots who have died; certifying their hang gliding rating is part of the mission of ushgrs.org.

7. There are three sections to the ushgrs.org Pilot Page: a. Statement of rating that has been certified. b. Data supplied by the subject pilot that is fit for public display; we hold unpublished information not fit for public display; the submitter has much to say about what goes in that section or not. c. Information that might enhance interest in the subject pilot.

8. The third section on the Pilot Page is about enhancing interest; that section does not necessarily affect ushgrs.org certification process; rather, the video links and links to articles and documents in that section may not have been part of the certification process.

9. That ushgrs.org states a certified rating for a pilot does not mean anything about endorsement or not. ushgrs.org trades nothing for its certification processing. ushgrs.org is blind to endorsements or non endorsements. There is no essential need to ask a pilot if she or he is going to be rating certified by ushgrs.org; if the pilot has shown publicly, then they are potentially in the view of ushgrs.org rating certification domain.

10. Doug, you are invited to start a case about your rating with ushgrs.org. A case file has not yet been started about your rating. But it may get opened soon; an email from you to ratings@ushgrs.org.org would trigger opening a case file leading to a certified rating statement and construction of a Pilot Page about you. Send data and have others send data about you; records from your instructors, mentors, observers, and examiners are receivables for the ushgrs.org process. And documents and links to information that surround you are welcome for ushgrs.org review for possible placement in the second and third section of the Pilot Page. You are welcome to trigger the process. sooner or later.

Honor your fathers and mothers; honor those who have gone before us and who live yet , though deceased. To forget Volmer Jensen or Larry Tudor would be a great loss. ushgrs.org aims to keep the won assets of recreational hang gliding alive to all who are concerned. Doug, you are welcome to submit interesting links about Larry or other HG pilots; ushgrs.org is not responsible for what history is showing about pilots.

I hope I have addressed your concerns; if not, we may go another round on any point in hopes to clarify matters. You are invited to reach to see what is the case before leaping to fly dark statements. Reach for potential light and hold out for a perspective that may be helpful.

Lifts,
Joe Faust
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Re: Posts from Banning of Joe Faust at hanggliding.org

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RE: USHGRS.ORG
By DMarley - Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:32 pm #404975

DMarley wrote:You are creating an ill-gotten database of names only, then, with absolutely no meaning except to attempt to give your club more "credibility" only through the number of pilots listed, which is low-handed trickery and political bs. The only people that will give your list any look will be non-pilots, because they are clueless about this sport. This will likely come out and back-fire on you. You had better not put my name and ratings and links to my information in your ridiculous nazi-type black-list without my full and absolute permission. You will have many many pilots angry with you if you continue this dishonest child's game.

You are listing deceased pilots only for your own and your club's benefit, not for any other. And coloring it in the light that you have is terribly irresponsible. If you truly wanted to honor these pilots, you would generate a completely separate list within a completely separate context, completely seperate from your club's influence, with more information than what you have here as a way honoring them. As it is now, you are merely attempting to generate a high head-count to your list and you don't care if they're alive or deceased, active or not active, or even if they don't give you permission to list them. You are grasping at straws in order to make your club appear like it has the backing of many pilots when in fact it has very little backing. Despicable. I believed at one time that Joe Faust was a respected class act.

I do not give you any permission to list me and my ratings and anything else that is related to me and my HG/sailplane/GA flying. I demand that you, nor anyone related to/with your club or organization or whatever you call yourselves, never refer to me in any way within your list of ill-gotten names.
I hope that is clear enough.
It would be dishonorable of me to allow my name to be on your meaningless list.
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Re: Posts from Banning of Joe Faust at hanggliding.org

Postby Quote » Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:57 am

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By DMarley - Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:35 pm #404976

DMarley wrote:
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Joseph Faust....
I demand that you remove my name from your list. Remove it now.
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Re: Posts from Banning of Joe Faust at hanggliding.org

Postby Quote » Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:58 am

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By DMarley - Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:38 pm #404977

DMarley wrote:I do not want my name to be associated with your ill-gotten list of deceased pilots and gullible pilots and other pilots that never gave you permission to use their good names. I demand you to remove MY GOOD NAME right away, Joe Faust!
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Re: Posts from Banning of Joe Faust at hanggliding.org

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Re: Posts from Banning of Joe Faust at hanggliding.org

Postby Quote » Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:00 pm

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By BubbleBoy - Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:29 pm #404985

BubbleBoy wrote:Each time the ushgrs.org is brought up I'm going to do that organization an favor. I'm going to remind those responsible to do the absolute best thing they could do for the promotion of their cause:

Please post a list of all HG flying sites in the US that have a requirement for pilots to hold ratings/certifications that now accept ushgrs.org ratings in lieu of the ratings previously required. Watching this list 'grow' (hahaha) will be both a measure of your actual progress/success and extremely helpful to pilots. (cue the moronic 'helpful to who and how?' crap from Red)

You want to do your organization some good? -- THAT'S the list that is important, not some fake BS list of 'rated' pilots (dead and alive, but not actually participating).

This has been a public service announcement/request

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Re: Posts from Banning of Joe Faust at hanggliding.org

Postby Quote » Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:00 pm

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By sg - Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:30 pm #404986

sg wrote:Joe,

If you dont think im aware of the fact you work with BobK in his s--- forum to strategize how to get stuff posted on the org, you are really clueless. People send me screenshots all the time.

You are clearly carrying BobKs water here, against this websites policies, and now you are seriously pissing members off with this crap. Its really scummy putting dead pilots on a list like that, show some fricken respect.

You can take me off now. People are asking me to ban you for this crap and your constant shenanigans.

TAKE ME OFF THIS BS LIST and you should take anyone else off that asks as well.


Will probably call for a ban vote at this point. See what people think.
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Re: Posts from Banning of Joe Faust at hanggliding.org

Postby Quote » Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:01 pm

RE: USHGRS.ORG
By DMarley - Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:33 pm #404988

DMarley wrote:
joefaust wrote:Pilot Pages have three sections:
= Statement of certified rating.
=Voluntary information from the pilot
= Interest-enhancing notes and links related to the pilot.
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What a joke.... Statement of certified rating.... certified by whom?

Joe, dude.... I thought that you had some class. I was WRONG! You are devoid of class. Absolutely Zero class. You have ZERO professionalism. What kind of moron would stoop to such depths as to forcefully add a person who has absolutely zero desire to be on a meaningless, fictitious club's list?!?

Why would ANYONE other than your little band of ZERO cohorts, want to be associated with you in any way?
No wonder you have to steal names to add to your pitiful, deceitful list.
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Re: Posts from Banning of Joe Faust at hanggliding.org

Postby Quote » Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:01 pm

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By joefaust - Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:40 pm #404989

joefaust wrote:Doug,

1. Your name is not yet "listed" but a Pilot Page is constructed and published. Listing will occur when the rating certification process is completed. The rating process regarding your public recreational hang gliding via ushgrs.org is underway.

2. What is untrue on the subject Pilot Page? What is there that is bothering you?

3. The ushgrs.org is not a fictitious list.

4. You ARE near me. I hold you near and dear to my hang gliding history heart. Others on the ushgrs.org team also hold you near to them. NC is near to me.

5. No boldness, just working as usual on hang gliding matters as I have done for over 50 years in service to the hang gliding community.

6. ushgrs.org is not regularly showing anything about paragliding; so your request to show "P-0" on the subject Pilot Page will not fly; sorry about that; you may list such "P-0" elsewhere and readers of ushgrs.org will probably be able to find eventually your P matters.

7. You are welcome to visit me at my home in Los Angeles; I will politely greet you, feed you, discuss HG, if you wish.

8. You are welcome to fly our local sites in Los Angeles City and Los Angeles County.

Doug, your mention of "zero" reminds me of the rating ushgrs.org resolved for me: S-SA Otto-0 and my online forum

The certification process at ushgrs.org collects witnessed data, examination data, reports, and more; then the team at ushgrs.org rates a recreational hang glider pilot; such process is ongoing concerning you; you are invited to send data about yourself; you are invited to have your instructors send matter to ushgrs.org; all such will go into case file; upon reaching a decision about the case, then a statement will be made and published. Thank you for your cooperation on your behalf or for inputs from you about other pilots.

Lifts,
Joe Faust
teaming for ushgrs.org

PS: sg, the team will be evolving content for Pilot Pages over time; the files certainly are not complete and are never considered "done" but rather evolving. LOL on your post regarding the only recalled regional director; the FULL story cannot be told in a quip, of course; profound tracking of truth on issue may well be required to discern truth. Best.

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