US Hawks Hang Gliding Association :: View topic - Relocating the Torrey Hawks Forum

sghawk96 wrote:

You are therefore BANNED. Not too bright attacking your host is it? For days on end.

Anyone else care to continue?

Maybe its best I shut the whole site down? The only purpose seems to be to attack and libel me and other volunteers.

I thought this site was about promoting hang gliding via the torrey hawks, but if thats not longer the case, I see no point in continuing to run it. Ill be happy to reclaim the bandwidth and disk resources. Let me know.

SG,

I am sorry to see things degenerating to this point. We were on the same path for a long time and it's sad to see those paths diverging so abruptly.

There's a lot of history on this site, and if you're thinking about shutting it down, then I'd appreciate either the time to collect that history or a copy of the database with all these posts and my own set of PMs. Thanks.

Also, you're welcome to call me any time ... or let me know if and when I can call you. We haven't talked in years, and maybe that's part of the problem.

Thanks.
Bob Kuczewski
President - Torrey Hawks Hang Gliding Club
858-204-7499

sghawk96 wrote:

Maybe its best I shut the whole site down? The only purpose seems to be to attack and libel me and other volunteers.

I thought this site was about promoting hang gliding via the torrey hawks, but if thats not longer the case, I see no point in continuing to run it. Ill be happy to reclaim the bandwidth and disk resources. Let me know.

SG,

Maybe it is time to start discussing what to do with this site...

First, let me say that I've appreciated you providing it for the Hawks, but maybe we've overstayed our welcome. So I'd like to begin discussions on an orderly transfer of the TorreyHawksForum to the Hawks control.

I've been thinking about where to go next, and I think I'd like to build on the notion of Hawks Chapters. We've already got a small chapter in Salt Lake and another tiny seed of a Chapter in Lakeview. So I'm starting to build an umbrella organization to tie them together ... the US Hawks.

I've already got a primitive forum up and running at ushawks.org, and I've created subforums for each of the three existing Hawks Chapters (Torrey, Toeele, and Lakeview). At this point, I think I'm ready to move all the posts from this site to that one. I've been learning a lot about PHPBB, and I think I should be able to do it myself if you could send me a copy of the MySQL database containing all the Hawks information (posts, users, etc) from this site. My guess is that it won't match the new PHPBB exactly, and I might have to write some database translation code, but I would like to preserve our history. Please let me know how you think that might be accomplished. Here's the sequence I have in mind:

1. Post a notice that this forum will be locked during the transfer.
2. Lock the forum.
3. Send me the database from the locked forum (or put it somewhere I can get it via FTP).
4. Leave this forum up (but locked) while I work on the rehosting.
5. Once it's rehosted and working, then you can reclaim the space here.

Please let me know how that sounds to you. I'm somewhat new to managing forums, so your thoughts are welcome. Thanks.

Bob Kuczewski

Relocating the Torrey Hawks Forum

Torrey Hawks Forum Administrator,

I'd like to relocate the Torrey Hawks forum and I would like the following help from the current forum administrator:

1. I would like a copy of the database containing the current forum (topics, posts, PMs, etc).

2. I would like to pay for the current domain name registration of "torreyhawksforum.org" so that it is registered to one of Torrey Hawks officers.

3. I would like a reasonable amount of time for the transfer (maybe a week after delivery of the database).

Any additional advice to help make the transfer would be welcome. I would certainly appreciate being able to move the entire forum with all of its current features (php files, templates, graphics, etc), but I understand and appreciate that some of those files may contain proprietary information and customizations. So I would appreciate any advice to help move the content (posts, pms, graphics) to a new environment where those customizations may not be present.

Once again, thanks for having hosted the Torrey Hawks forum for so long, and thanks in advance for your help in transferring the site to a new location.

Sincerely,
Bob Kuczewski
President and Founder - Torrey Hawks Hang Gliding Club

The answer to 1984 is 1776!

Jack Axaopoulos (cc Joe Spinney, bcc to others as witnesses),

I just visited the TorreyHawksForum web site (http://www.torreyhawksforum.org) and found that it had been defaced and closed (see content below). I do not believe this was done with any authorization from the Torrey Hawks Board, and I ask that it be restored immediately. Thank you.

I have also requested (in previous messages) that the database content of that forum be delivered to the Torrey Hawks Board so that it could be rehosted on our own forum at http://ushawks.org. I again make that request. Thank you.

Finally, I will remind you that defacing a web site which has been entrusted to your care is a fairly serious matter and it could damage your credibility in not only the sport of hang gliding but in your professional career as well. We may have disagreements in many areas, but such disagreements should never be allowed to interfere with the professional duties you've voluntarily accepted on behalf of any organization. Please consider this carefully as you decide what to do next.

Sincerely,
Bob Kuczewski
Secretary - Torrey Hawks Hang Gliding Club
bobkuczewski@gmail.com / 858-204-7499

Jack Axaopoulos (cc Joe and a growing list of observers),

I am again writing to request the original database of posts to the Torrey Hawks Hang Gliding Club's previous forum (torreyhawksforum.org) so that they may be rehosted on the club's new forum ushawks.org.

All of the posts made to that web site were posted in good faith by our club's members and guests with the assumption that they were posting to a forum that was controlled and authorized through the Torrey Hawks Hang Gliding Club. Those posts therefore belong to our club.

You do have the right to stop hosting that forum for our club, but you are taking serious professional (and possibly legal) risks by refusing to return the database of our club's posts to an officer of our club. I am again asking you to do so immediately. On a related note, I am also again asking you to transfer the domain registration of torreyhawksforum.org to one of our club's officers for our continued use. I reiterate my offer to repay you for the registration fees which you have already paid for that domain name.

Jack, you are gaining nothing by withholding our information and you are only damaging your own credibility (and your career in Information Technology) by refusing to return the database of posts and messages that belongs to our club. I know you have been somewhat agitated over this issue and that's why I have not pressed it in the two months since my original requests. But now that two months have passed, I am asking that you treat this request in a professional manner and return the property to our club as I have requested.

Thank you,
Bob Kuczewski
Club Secretary and Founder - Torrey Hawks Hang Gliding Club

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A few previous requests are listed here for your reference.
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Subject: Another Request for our Torrey Hawks Forum History
Date: September 30th, 2010

Jack Axaopoulos (cc Joe Spinney and others),

I have reviewed the content of the Torrey Hawks forum and it contains 4 general forums with 92 topics and 558 posts. Here's the breakdown according to the 4 general topics on that forum:

That is far too much history to transpose manually, so as the Torrey Hawks club Secretary, I would like a copy of the entire database containing those posts so I can move them to our new forum. I also feel that our members would expect that their private messages (PMs) should be retained as well, so a complete dump of the database should include them also. I would appreciate that as soon as possible. Thanks.

Also, I have offered to pay you for the remaining domain registration of the TorreyHawksForum.org so that it might be registered to one of our club's officers. I am again making that request. Thanks.

Jack, You've voiced a concern that there may be some personal information in the database (such as PMs etc). This is true, but it was just as true when you controlled the forum. In fact, that information is much more properly entrusted to the elected officers of the Hawks than to a regular club member such as yourself. So you have no basis for denying my former request (as President of the Hawks) and my current request (as Secretary of the Hawks) to turn over the TorreyHawksForum database to one of the Torrey Hawks club officers (myself, Joe Spinney, or David Beardslee).

Finally, you have complained on the forum about the resources used by our site, and now you've even closed the site down. Given this history, I see no reason why you wouldn't rid yourself this site in a responsible manner by properly turning the database over to the officers of the Torrey Hawks. I know that we did not hire you, but you have performed services for us, and I would not like to have to report that you've mishandled our information in the process. So please make things easy on everyone by complying with this very simple and reasonable request.

Thanks in advance,
Bob Kuczewski
Club Secretary and Founder - Torrey Hawks Hang Gliding Club

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Subject: Vandalism of the TorreyHawksForum Web Site
Date: August 27th, 2010

Jack Axaopoulos (cc Joe Spinney, bcc to others as witnesses),

I just visited the TorreyHawksForum web site (http://www.torreyhawksforum.org) and found that it had been defaced and closed (see content below). I do not believe this was done with any authorization from the Torrey Hawks Board, and I ask that it be restored immediately. Thank you.

I have also requested (in previous messages) that the database content of that forum be delivered to the Torrey Hawks Board so that it could be rehosted on our own forum at http://ushawks.org. I again make that request. Thank you.

Finally, I will remind you that defacing a web site which has been entrusted to your care is a fairly serious matter and it could damage your credibility in not only the sport of hang gliding but in your professional career as well. We may have disagreements in many areas, but such disagreements should never be allowed to interfere with the professional duties you've voluntarily accepted on behalf of any organization. Please consider this carefully as you decide what to do next.

Sincerely,
Bob Kuczewski
Secretary - Torrey Hawks Hang Gliding Club
bobkuczewski@gmail.com / 858-204-7499

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Subject: Torrey Hawks Forum Topic: Archive ability added to ActionItem Tool
Posted: August 21st, 2010

Jack (sghawk96) wrote:

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Bob (bobk) replied:

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SG,

Maybe it is time to start discussing what to do with this site...

First, let me say that I've appreciated you providing it for the Hawks, but maybe we've overstayed our welcome. So I'd like to begin discussions on an orderly transfer of the TorreyHawksForum to the Hawks control.

I've been thinking about where to go next, and I think I'd like to build on the notion of Hawks Chapters. We've already got a small chapter in Salt Lake and another tiny seed of a Chapter in Lakeview. So I'm starting to build an umbrella organization to tie them together ... the US Hawks.

I've already got a primitive forum up and running at ushawks.org and I've created subforums for each of the three existing Hawks Chapters (Torrey, Toeele, and Lakeview). At this point, I think I'm ready to move all the posts from this site to that one. I've been learning a lot about PHPBB, and I think I should be able to do it myself if you could send me a copy of the MySQL database containing all the Hawks information (posts, users, etc) from this site. My guess is that it won't match the new PHPBB exactly, and I might have to write some database translation code, but I would like to preserve our history. Please let me know how you think that might be accomplished. Here's the sequence I have in mind:

Post a notice that this forum will be locked during the transfer.
Lock the forum.
Send me the database from the locked forum (or put it somewhere I can get it via FTP).
Leave this forum up (but locked) while I work on the rehosting.
Once it's rehosted and working, then you can reclaim the space here.

Please let me know how that sounds to you. I'm somewhat new to managing forums, so your thoughts are welcome. Thanks.

Bob Kuczewski

Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:44:00 -0400

To Whom It May Concern:

I am writing this letter to demand that you cease and desist all communications. You are hereby ordered not to electronically communicate with me unless I give you written permission to do so.

Therefore you, and anyone acting as your proxy, must cease and desist all contact with me in accordance with the North Carolina 14-196.3 Cyberstalking law.

NOTICE: Emails/forum posts will be filed with my attorney to be captured as evidence.

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North Carolina 14-196.3 Cyberstalking law
Section in effect:

It is unlawful for a person to:

(2) Electronically mail or electronically communicate to another repeatedly, whether or not conversation ensues, for the purpose of abusing, annoying, threatening, terrifying, harassing, or embarrassing any person.

Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 12:08:57 -0700

Jack (cc Joe, and bcc other witnesses),

This message is not being sent for the purpose of abusing, annoying, threatening, terrifying, harassing, or embarrassing you (as you've quoted from 14-196.3). Instead, it is being sent for the following explicit purposes:

1. It is being sent for the purpose of requesting the electronic information that you hold which was posted to the Torrey Hawks club forum by members and guests of the Torrey Hawks club at http://torreyhawksforum.org. To this date you have not replied in any way to this reasonable request.

2. It is also being sent to inform you that you are improperly displaying the Torrey Hawks name and logo on that web site. That logo bears a legal trademark notice ("TM") in the lower right corner of the text. I ask that you remove that logo and all other names and insignia which identifies that site as being authorized or controlled by the Torrey Hawks club. That would include the name of the web site itself "torreyhawksforum".

3. It is also being sent to request that you cease and desist from slandering and libeling me with accusations of "voter fraud" on that web site and elsewhere. Fraud of any type implies an intent to deceive, and my open requests to correct the ill effects of the improper ballots do not fit that definition any more than a request to count (or not count) "hanging chads" or "dimpled chads" would be considered voter fraud in paper ballot elections. In both cases a judgment is required as to the voter's intentions under imperfect circumstances. This judgment is subject to debate and the open positions and requests in such a debate do not constitute voter fraud. Your use of the term "voter fraud" implies a wrongdoing which is not valid, and falls under the terms slander and libel.

These are all legitimate requests. If you would prefer that they be sent to your legal council, then please send me his or her contact information. If you want to take these requests to court, then I am hopeful the courts would uphold these requests as legitimate. We can find out if you like. It is not my intention to take matters to that level, and I am writing to hopefully avoid such escalation. I hope you will respond in kind.

Mostly, I find it hard to understand why you would deny these requests. It's clear that you and I have a difference of opinion on several issues, and the best solution seems to be that we go our separate ways - live and let live. But your unwillingness to do so introduces a level of spitefulness that is difficult to justify. I am again asking you to overcome that spitefulness and act in a calm and professional manner with regard to these requests. That would be in the best interests of yourself, your career, and your reputation in the sport of hang gliding.

Sincerely and without malice,
Bob Kuczewski
Secretary and Founder - Torrey Hawks Hang Gliding Club

Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 15:48:50 -0400

SECOND NOTICE:

To Whom It May Concern:

I am writing this letter to demand that you cease and desist all communications. You are hereby ordered not to electronically communicate with me unless I give you written permission to do so.

Therefore you, and anyone acting as your proxy, must cease and desist all contact with me in accordance with the North Carolina 14-196.3 Cyberstalking law.

NOTICE: All emails will be filed with my attorney to be captured as evidence.

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North Carolina 14-196.3 Cyberstalking law

Section in effect:

It is unlawful for a person to:

(2) Electronically mail or electronically communicate to another repeatedly, whether or not conversation ensues, for the purpose of abusing, annoying, threatening, terrifying, harassing, or embarrassing any person.

Author:	Bob Kuczewski [ Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:19 pm ]
Post subject:	Relocating the Torrey Hawks Forum
I've requested that the Torrey Hawks Forum be transferred to the control of the Torrey Hawks Board. Here are my postings of that request: Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 10:44 pm Post subject: Re: Archive ability added to ActionItem Tool bobk wrote: sghawk96 wrote: You are therefore BANNED. Not too bright attacking your host is it? For days on end. Anyone else care to continue? Maybe its best I shut the whole site down? The only purpose seems to be to attack and libel me and other volunteers. I thought this site was about promoting hang gliding via the torrey hawks, but if thats not longer the case, I see no point in continuing to run it. Ill be happy to reclaim the bandwidth and disk resources. Let me know. SG, I am sorry to see things degenerating to this point. We were on the same path for a long time and it's sad to see those paths diverging so abruptly. There's a lot of history on this site, and if you're thinking about shutting it down, then I'd appreciate either the time to collect that history or a copy of the database with all these posts and my own set of PMs. Thanks. Also, you're welcome to call me any time ... or let me know if and when I can call you. We haven't talked in years, and maybe that's part of the problem. Thanks. Bob Kuczewski President - Torrey Hawks Hang Gliding Club 858-204-7499 Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:09 am Post subject: Re: Archive ability added to ActionItem Tool bobk wrote: sghawk96 wrote: Maybe its best I shut the whole site down? The only purpose seems to be to attack and libel me and other volunteers. I thought this site was about promoting hang gliding via the torrey hawks, but if thats not longer the case, I see no point in continuing to run it. Ill be happy to reclaim the bandwidth and disk resources. Let me know. SG, Maybe it is time to start discussing what to do with this site... First, let me say that I've appreciated you providing it for the Hawks, but maybe we've overstayed our welcome. So I'd like to begin discussions on an orderly transfer of the TorreyHawksForum to the Hawks control. I've been thinking about where to go next, and I think I'd like to build on the notion of Hawks Chapters. We've already got a small chapter in Salt Lake and another tiny seed of a Chapter in Lakeview. So I'm starting to build an umbrella organization to tie them together ... the US Hawks. I've already got a primitive forum up and running at ushawks.org, and I've created subforums for each of the three existing Hawks Chapters (Torrey, Toeele, and Lakeview). At this point, I think I'm ready to move all the posts from this site to that one. I've been learning a lot about PHPBB, and I think I should be able to do it myself if you could send me a copy of the MySQL database containing all the Hawks information (posts, users, etc) from this site. My guess is that it won't match the new PHPBB exactly, and I might have to write some database translation code, but I would like to preserve our history. Please let me know how you think that might be accomplished. Here's the sequence I have in mind: 1. Post a notice that this forum will be locked during the transfer. 2. Lock the forum. 3. Send me the database from the locked forum (or put it somewhere I can get it via FTP). 4. Leave this forum up (but locked) while I work on the rehosting. 5. Once it's rehosted and working, then you can reclaim the space here. Please let me know how that sounds to you. I'm somewhat new to managing forums, so your thoughts are welcome. Thanks. Bob Kuczewski Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:00 pm Post subject: Relocating the Torrey Hawks Forum (posted on the front page of the site) Quote: Relocating the Torrey Hawks Forum Torrey Hawks Forum Administrator, I'd like to relocate the Torrey Hawks forum and I would like the following help from the current forum administrator: 1. I would like a copy of the database containing the current forum (topics, posts, PMs, etc). 2. I would like to pay for the current domain name registration of "torreyhawksforum.org" so that it is registered to one of Torrey Hawks officers. 3. I would like a reasonable amount of time for the transfer (maybe a week after delivery of the database). Any additional advice to help make the transfer would be welcome. I would certainly appreciate being able to move the entire forum with all of its current features (php files, templates, graphics, etc), but I understand and appreciate that some of those files may contain proprietary information and customizations. So I would appreciate any advice to help move the content (posts, pms, graphics) to a new environment where those customizations may not be present. Once again, thanks for having hosted the Torrey Hawks forum for so long, and thanks in advance for your help in transferring the site to a new location. Sincerely, Bob Kuczewski President and Founder - Torrey Hawks Hang Gliding Club

Author:	Free [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:29 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Relocating the Torrey Hawks Forum
Is there any movement on this reasonable request, Bob? The story, please..

Author:	Bob Kuczewski [ Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:30 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Relocating the Torrey Hawks Forum
Hey Free, You know pretty much what I know. I've made the request and that's where it sits. I predict that the request will be ignored and someday the site will just disappear along with whatever was posted there. It's a sad commentary on some folks respect for history, but that seems to be a common attitude these days. It's somewhat odd that John W. (KK) was so offended by the 1984 reference ... because it fits so well. Come to think of it, maybe that's exactly why he was so offended by it ... because it fits so well. Bob K.

Author:	Free [ Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:30 pm ]
Post subject:	Ministry of Truth
I'm not surprized and I'm not impressed. The Ministry of Truth doesn't like the truth/publicity of their beginnings. This calls for more publicity, more truth. The answer to 1984 is 1776!

Author:	Bob Kuczewski [ Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:17 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Ministry of Truth
Free wrote: The answer to 1984 is 1776! WOW!! What a great line!!! And to think the other forums banned someone who could write with such simplicity and clarity... I'm glad to have created a place where Free is free to speak.

US Hawks Hang Gliding Association https://ushawks.org:443/forum/

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Author:	Free [ Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:25 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Ministry of Truth
Quote: The answer to 1984 is 1776! WOW!! What a great line!!! [/quote] The credit is not mine. The line is now printed on t shirts and bumper stickers. "The Answer To 1984 is 1776!" Alex Jones http://www.Infowars.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqkKm7svpx4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6_rX2yd ... re=related Full text of Alex Jones bullhorning the 2006 'Bilderberg' meeting in Ottawa Canada: Jones Report \| June 9, 2006 Ottawa, Canada - The people of the planet are free. Humans since the beginning of civilization have struggled against tyranny. We are here with a new declaration of independence, a declaration of free people on the planet earth resisting your tyranny. We do not want your American Union, we do not want your European Union. We wish to live in peace and be free just as you wish to have you secret meetings and be left alone. We are here at great danger and at great expense and with great courage to stand up against your enormous power. We know you are ruthless. We know you are evil. We respect your dark power. You should know, that as you attempt to set up your world government, you're facing greater and greater problems. Your agenda is faultering. Free humans everywhere know what you are doing. The people have woken up to what you are doing. You are attempting to shut down the internet and the free press. You are failing. The cat is out of the bag. The truth of your world gevernment has now been exposed. We will expose the new world order. We will expose the global crime syndicate. To David Rockefeller, to the Rothchilds' representatives here, to the Queen of the Netherlands, to all of you, we tell you you are not our queens, you are not our kings, you are not our gods. We do not belong to you. We are not your slaves. We stand as free humans have stood since the beginning of time against the strong men, against the thugs, against the bullies. We are here telling you we will resist the new world order. We will defeat your world government. We will defeat world taxation. We will defeat your control grid. God is on our side. I stand before the creator of the universe and I ask the creator of the universe, as our founding fathers did in 1776, to lead guide and direct us and to give us the power and the foresight and the understanding and the will to stand against your entire agenda including your final plan of world population reduction of eighty percent that Henry Kissinger penned in 1973. We stand here as free human beings that love our families, that want to control our own destinies. I know that you have the excuses that you claim you have to have world government to stop world war. But in truth architects of world war two are sitting in your building right now. Like Queen Beatrix, her late husband SS officer. We are here simply trying to defend liberty. You have threatened us. You have threatened our countries, you have threatened our sovereignty. You have threatened our lively hoods. Your world government in your own statements, in your own policy reports are detrimental to the average man woman and child. You have more power and more money than you could ever spend. You own the central banks that print the money. Why, then, do you continue to dehumanize us? Why do you put mercury in the vaccines? Stani(?)sodium chloride in the water? Why? Why do you put cancer viruses in the vaccines? Why have you used depleted uranium now in four seperate nations, the equivalent of 44,000 a-bombs of uranium now in the atmosphere. Why are you doing this? Why are you so dark? Why are you so destructive? Why are you destroying your own future? You're arrogant. You have the sickness that elites have had throughout history in their literal, and in some cases figurative, ivory towers. You believe that you are invincible. You are your own greatest enemy. You are an enemy of humanity and the human experience and everything that we are and everything that we could be. You are threatened by the dynamic human free spirit. You are monopoly men. You monopolize the economic systems. You try to monopolize the spiritual sytems because you're threatened by independent middle classes developing their own industries that you believe will threaten your monoply of control and power. We here, the free peoples of earth, stand against you and your wickedness. The numbers are growing everyday. Millions of people everyday wake up to what you're doing. They understand your program of control and they will resist it. Again, we implore the creator of the universe to aid us. We pledge our lives, our bodies, our sacred honor, our treasure, all on the line, against you the neo-fascist corporate royalty. We tell you now that your abuse must end. We tell you now listen to the voices inside Bilderberg that understand the truth. We tell you now we know there's dissenting voices in your ranks who say that what you are doing is dangerous. You're hurdling the world towards world war four, as you call it. We ask you to reconsider your wickedness and your evil. You are being led by a very dark force. You have been manipulated and deceived, yourselves. You know that at the end of your days now, many of you, that all the evil and all the power has not filled you. No matter how many wars and how much evil and wickedness you engage in you feel more and more hollow everyday. Let me tell you now that I have no fear of you because I have already lived a wonderful life and I've lived for what's good and what's decent and what's beautiful and I believe in the human spirit. My life is overflowing. I am so incredibly happy. I am empowered. I am empowered by the life force. I am empowered by creativity and goodness and the light. You are filled with the black pits of hell. You are filled with darkness and it will never quench your thirst. Some of you can turn back. I remember interviewing Charlotte Iserbyt whose father was a member of Skull and Bones and Bohemian Grove and as he lay on his death bed dying of cancer, the elite member, that elite member that travelled in your highest circles, repented of what he'd done and cried his guts out. And I believe that man will be in heaven. He won't be visiting where some of you are going in the depths of Hades. The elite of the world, and that's you, have been waging war on the people, waging war on any free populations attempting to create your world government: a monopoly thought, a monopoly of science a monpoly of finance. You are destroying this species. You are dstroying our development. You are bad social engineers. You're like a lion who comes into the pride, that comes into the pride and goes after the cubs because you're theatened of them rising. You're theatened by them. You seek to feed on your own species. You are an upper predator class that is trying to engineer us and dumb us down so we are more easily fed upon. You will and you are failing now. Your new world order will fall. Humanity will defeat you. The answer to 1984 is 1776. The answer to your 1984 world is the world of 1776. The human spirit has always risen against tyranny. The human spirit has always overcome fear. The human spirit has always resisted the bully and we are resisting you now as we will for eternity because ideas are bullet proof. And as we all here are standing are flesh and blood the idea of human liberty and human freedom is bullet proof and you will fail. Your children will rebel against you. Your wives will rebel against you. Your husbands wil rebel against you because the truth and decency and freedom is beautiful and is wonderful and is the holy grail you have been seeking that's been right under your nose. Be good. Turn from your wicked ways. Say no to global government. Say no to engineering the human species into a slave state. Your tyranny has failed. You've already been defeated. You can already feel the rumblings as your supports crumble underneath you. The crisis you thouht you would create to bring in world government is the crisis that will undo your system. History shows it. You believe you are students of history, look at history. You will reach your world government. You will gain your new world order. But right as you grasp it you will feel the floor beneath you falling. At the very moment you gain the apex of your power, at the very moment you climb to the summit of that mouintain, your defeat is assured. What you seek is your undoing. You have been defeated. -Alex Jones to the Bilderbergs http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/211 ... rberg.html

Author:	Bob Kuczewski [ Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:01 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Relocating the Torrey Hawks Forum
Well, the other shoe dropped on the old Torrey Hawks Forum this morning. Jack locked our club forum after posting an attack on Scott and myself on the front page (very bad form for an IT guy). He also used the club forum to advertise the "SGAA" rather than properly directing people to the new Torrey Hawks Club Forum here. Here's what the site looked like when I checked it out this morning: Attachment: Forum_Defaced_600.png [ 119.33 KiB \| Viewed 14988 times ] So I sent an email message to Jack, the Hawks current President, and a number of other witnesses: Quote: Jack Axaopoulos (cc Joe Spinney, bcc to others as witnesses), I just visited the TorreyHawksForum web site (http://www.torreyhawksforum.org) and found that it had been defaced and closed (see content below). I do not believe this was done with any authorization from the Torrey Hawks Board, and I ask that it be restored immediately. Thank you. I have also requested (in previous messages) that the database content of that forum be delivered to the Torrey Hawks Board so that it could be rehosted on our own forum at http://ushawks.org. I again make that request. Thank you. Finally, I will remind you that defacing a web site which has been entrusted to your care is a fairly serious matter and it could damage your credibility in not only the sport of hang gliding but in your professional career as well. We may have disagreements in many areas, but such disagreements should never be allowed to interfere with the professional duties you've voluntarily accepted on behalf of any organization. Please consider this carefully as you decide what to do next. Sincerely, Bob Kuczewski Secretary - Torrey Hawks Hang Gliding Club bobkuczewski@gmail.com / 858-204-7499 The ball is in Jack's court. Let's see what he does with this one...

Author:	Bob Kuczewski [ Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:09 pm ]
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Here's a Before and After record of what's been done to the Torrey Hawks web site and forum ... Before (Torrey Hawks Web Site Home Page before John Wright defaced it): Attachment: Web_Site_Before_600.png [ 95.78 KiB \| Viewed 14984 times ] After (Torrey Hawks Web Site Home Page after John Wright defaced it): Attachment: Web_Site_Defaced_600.png [ 28.32 KiB \| Viewed 14984 times ] Before (Torrey Hawks Forum Home Page before Jack Axaopoulos defaced it): Attachment: Forum_Before_800.png [ 208.79 KiB \| Viewed 14984 times ] After (Torrey Hawks Forum Home Page after Jack Axaopoulos defaced it): Attachment: Forum_Defaced_800.png [ 184.19 KiB \| Viewed 14984 times ] Both John and Jack abused their positions of trust in a very spiteful and unprofessional manner.

Author:	Bob Kuczewski [ Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:33 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Relocating the Torrey Hawks Forum
Here's my latest request to Jack Axaopoulos (sent on October 20th, 2010): Quote: Jack Axaopoulos (cc Joe and a growing list of observers), I am again writing to request the original database of posts to the Torrey Hawks Hang Gliding Club's previous forum (torreyhawksforum.org) so that they may be rehosted on the club's new forum ushawks.org. All of the posts made to that web site were posted in good faith by our club's members and guests with the assumption that they were posting to a forum that was controlled and authorized through the Torrey Hawks Hang Gliding Club. Those posts therefore belong to our club. You do have the right to stop hosting that forum for our club, but you are taking serious professional (and possibly legal) risks by refusing to return the database of our club's posts to an officer of our club. I am again asking you to do so immediately. On a related note, I am also again asking you to transfer the domain registration of torreyhawksforum.org to one of our club's officers for our continued use. I reiterate my offer to repay you for the registration fees which you have already paid for that domain name. Jack, you are gaining nothing by withholding our information and you are only damaging your own credibility (and your career in Information Technology) by refusing to return the database of posts and messages that belongs to our club. I know you have been somewhat agitated over this issue and that's why I have not pressed it in the two months since my original requests. But now that two months have passed, I am asking that you treat this request in a professional manner and return the property to our club as I have requested. Thank you, Bob Kuczewski Club Secretary and Founder - Torrey Hawks Hang Gliding Club ============================================ A few previous requests are listed here for your reference. ============================================ Quote: Subject: Another Request for our Torrey Hawks Forum History Date: September 30th, 2010 Jack Axaopoulos (cc Joe Spinney and others), I have reviewed the content of the Torrey Hawks forum and it contains 4 general forums with 92 topics and 558 posts. Here's the breakdown according to the 4 general topics on that forum: General Discussion has 370 posts in 45 topics. Club stuff has 50 posts in 16 topics. Front Page News has 32 posts in 9 topics. The Basement has 106 posts in 22 topics. That is far too much history to transpose manually, so as the Torrey Hawks club Secretary, I would like a copy of the entire database containing those posts so I can move them to our new forum. I also feel that our members would expect that their private messages (PMs) should be retained as well, so a complete dump of the database should include them also. I would appreciate that as soon as possible. Thanks. Also, I have offered to pay you for the remaining domain registration of the TorreyHawksForum.org so that it might be registered to one of our club's officers. I am again making that request. Thanks. Jack, You've voiced a concern that there may be some personal information in the database (such as PMs etc). This is true, but it was just as true when you controlled the forum. In fact, that information is much more properly entrusted to the elected officers of the Hawks than to a regular club member such as yourself. So you have no basis for denying my former request (as President of the Hawks) and my current request (as Secretary of the Hawks) to turn over the TorreyHawksForum database to one of the Torrey Hawks club officers (myself, Joe Spinney, or David Beardslee). Finally, you have complained on the forum about the resources used by our site, and now you've even closed the site down. Given this history, I see no reason why you wouldn't rid yourself this site in a responsible manner by properly turning the database over to the officers of the Torrey Hawks. I know that we did not hire you, but you have performed services for us, and I would not like to have to report that you've mishandled our information in the process. So please make things easy on everyone by complying with this very simple and reasonable request. Thanks in advance, Bob Kuczewski Club Secretary and Founder - Torrey Hawks Hang Gliding Club ============================================ Quote: Subject: Vandalism of the TorreyHawksForum Web Site Date: August 27th, 2010 Jack Axaopoulos (cc Joe Spinney, bcc to others as witnesses), I just visited the TorreyHawksForum web site (http://www.torreyhawksforum.org) and found that it had been defaced and closed (see content below). I do not believe this was done with any authorization from the Torrey Hawks Board, and I ask that it be restored immediately. Thank you. I have also requested (in previous messages) that the database content of that forum be delivered to the Torrey Hawks Board so that it could be rehosted on our own forum at http://ushawks.org. I again make that request. Thank you. Finally, I will remind you that defacing a web site which has been entrusted to your care is a fairly serious matter and it could damage your credibility in not only the sport of hang gliding but in your professional career as well. We may have disagreements in many areas, but such disagreements should never be allowed to interfere with the professional duties you've voluntarily accepted on behalf of any organization. Please consider this carefully as you decide what to do next. Sincerely, Bob Kuczewski Secretary - Torrey Hawks Hang Gliding Club bobkuczewski@gmail.com / 858-204-7499 ============================================ Quote: Subject: Torrey Hawks Forum Topic: Archive ability added to ActionItem Tool Posted: August 21st, 2010 Jack (sghawk96) wrote: Quote: Maybe its best I shut the whole site down? The only purpose seems to be to attack and libel me and other volunteers. I thought this site was about promoting hang gliding via the torrey hawks, but if thats not longer the case, I see no point in continuing to run it. Ill be happy to reclaim the bandwidth and disk resources. Let me know. Bob (bobk) replied: Quote: SG, Maybe it is time to start discussing what to do with this site... First, let me say that I've appreciated you providing it for the Hawks, but maybe we've overstayed our welcome. So I'd like to begin discussions on an orderly transfer of the TorreyHawksForum to the Hawks control. I've been thinking about where to go next, and I think I'd like to build on the notion of Hawks Chapters. We've already got a small chapter in Salt Lake and another tiny seed of a Chapter in Lakeview. So I'm starting to build an umbrella organization to tie them together ... the US Hawks. I've already got a primitive forum up and running at ushawks.org and I've created subforums for each of the three existing Hawks Chapters (Torrey, Toeele, and Lakeview). At this point, I think I'm ready to move all the posts from this site to that one. I've been learning a lot about PHPBB, and I think I should be able to do it myself if you could send me a copy of the MySQL database containing all the Hawks information (posts, users, etc) from this site. My guess is that it won't match the new PHPBB exactly, and I might have to write some database translation code, but I would like to preserve our history. Please let me know how you think that might be accomplished. Here's the sequence I have in mind: Post a notice that this forum will be locked during the transfer. Lock the forum. Send me the database from the locked forum (or put it somewhere I can get it via FTP). Leave this forum up (but locked) while I work on the rehosting. Once it's rehosted and working, then you can reclaim the space here. Please let me know how that sounds to you. I'm somewhat new to managing forums, so your thoughts are welcome. Thanks. Bob Kuczewski

Author:	Bob Kuczewski [ Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:33 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Relocating the Torrey Hawks Forum
I'm posting this to keep the Torrey Hawks members informed of the ongoing battle over the hijacking of the club's forum. Jack Axaopoulos has sent me the following reply to my request: Jack Axaopoulos wrote: Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:44:00 -0400 To Whom It May Concern: I am writing this letter to demand that you cease and desist all communications. You are hereby ordered not to electronically communicate with me unless I give you written permission to do so. Therefore you, and anyone acting as your proxy, must cease and desist all contact with me in accordance with the North Carolina 14-196.3 Cyberstalking law. NOTICE: Emails/forum posts will be filed with my attorney to be captured as evidence. --------------------------------------------------- North Carolina 14-196.3 Cyberstalking law Section in effect: It is unlawful for a person to: (2) Electronically mail or electronically communicate to another repeatedly, whether or not conversation ensues, for the purpose of abusing, annoying, threatening, terrifying, harassing, or embarrassing any person. I have replied with the following message: Bob wrote: Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 12:08:57 -0700 Jack (cc Joe, and bcc other witnesses), This message is not being sent for the purpose of abusing, annoying, threatening, terrifying, harassing, or embarrassing you (as you've quoted from 14-196.3). Instead, it is being sent for the following explicit purposes: 1. It is being sent for the purpose of requesting the electronic information that you hold which was posted to the Torrey Hawks club forum by members and guests of the Torrey Hawks club at http://torreyhawksforum.org. To this date you have not replied in any way to this reasonable request. 2. It is also being sent to inform you that you are improperly displaying the Torrey Hawks name and logo on that web site. That logo bears a legal trademark notice ("TM") in the lower right corner of the text. I ask that you remove that logo and all other names and insignia which identifies that site as being authorized or controlled by the Torrey Hawks club. That would include the name of the web site itself "torreyhawksforum". 3. It is also being sent to request that you cease and desist from slandering and libeling me with accusations of "voter fraud" on that web site and elsewhere. Fraud of any type implies an intent to deceive, and my open requests to correct the ill effects of the improper ballots do not fit that definition any more than a request to count (or not count) "hanging chads" or "dimpled chads" would be considered voter fraud in paper ballot elections. In both cases a judgment is required as to the voter's intentions under imperfect circumstances. This judgment is subject to debate and the open positions and requests in such a debate do not constitute voter fraud. Your use of the term "voter fraud" implies a wrongdoing which is not valid, and falls under the terms slander and libel. These are all legitimate requests. If you would prefer that they be sent to your legal council, then please send me his or her contact information. If you want to take these requests to court, then I am hopeful the courts would uphold these requests as legitimate. We can find out if you like. It is not my intention to take matters to that level, and I am writing to hopefully avoid such escalation. I hope you will respond in kind. Mostly, I find it hard to understand why you would deny these requests. It's clear that you and I have a difference of opinion on several issues, and the best solution seems to be that we go our separate ways - live and let live. But your unwillingness to do so introduces a level of spitefulness that is difficult to justify. I am again asking you to overcome that spitefulness and act in a calm and professional manner with regard to these requests. That would be in the best interests of yourself, your career, and your reputation in the sport of hang gliding. Sincerely and without malice, Bob Kuczewski Secretary and Founder - Torrey Hawks Hang Gliding Club Jack has acknowledged receipt of my latest request with his subsequent reply (which included my original request in full): Jack Axaopoulos wrote: Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 15:48:50 -0400 SECOND NOTICE: To Whom It May Concern: I am writing this letter to demand that you cease and desist all communications. You are hereby ordered not to electronically communicate with me unless I give you written permission to do so. Therefore you, and anyone acting as your proxy, must cease and desist all contact with me in accordance with the North Carolina 14-196.3 Cyberstalking law. NOTICE: All emails will be filed with my attorney to be captured as evidence. --------------------------------------------------- North Carolina 14-196.3 Cyberstalking law Section in effect: It is unlawful for a person to: (2) Electronically mail or electronically communicate to another repeatedly, whether or not conversation ensues, for the purpose of abusing, annoying, threatening, terrifying, harassing, or embarrassing any person. The law that Jack quotes states that communication cannot be conducted "for the purpose of abusing, annoying, threatening, terrifying, harassing, or embarrassing any person". It has never been my purpose to abuse, annoy, threaten, terrify, harass, or embarrass Jack. It has been my intention to transfer the Torrey Hawks Forum posts to a new location. It has been my intention to inform Jack that he should not be using the Hawks' trademarked logo in an unauthorized manner. It has been my intention to request that Jack cease using our club's forum for slanderous statements. Yet ... 1. Jack has not returned the database of the Torrey Hawks members as requested. 2. Jack has not ceased his illegal use of the Torrey Hawks logo as requested. 3. Jack has not ceased or retracted his slanderous postings on torreyhawksforum.org as requested. So let the evidence show that I have performed my due diligence in trying to resolve this matter directly with Jack Axaopoulos and he has rejected my attempts every time.

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