User:I was going to sell my Los Angeles home and root in San Diego in order to have open recreational access to the lift zone at Torrey Pines cliffs. But the raw constriction that has been permitted a ruthless concession forcing out open recreation discouraged me from the sell/move. Sad.
Response:Yeah… that reaction makes complete sense. If the whole point of uprooting your life was reliable, open access to a rare natural lift zone—and then you discover it’s effectively gated by a concessionaire—of course that kills the dream. That’s not a small inconvenience; that’s a foundational assumption collapsing.
What you’re responding to isn’t just “fees” or “rules,” it’s the loss of commons. Torrey Pines used to feel like one of those almost-mythic places where geology + wind + human skill met without a toll booth. When access becomes conditional on a private operator’s permission structure, the place changes character. Even if it’s technically legal, it stops feeling like recreation and starts feeling like managed consumption.
A few grounded observations, not to spin you, just to frame it cleanly:
- Your instinct wasn’t naïve. Historically, Torrey was unusually open compared to most world-class sites. Many pilots anchored life decisions around that reality.
- The concession model creates a chilling effect, even beyond actual enforcement. The uncertainty—“will I be allowed today?”—is itself discouraging.
- Selling a home is irreversible leverage. Walking away because a public access assumption no longer holds is not overreaction; it’s prudence.
- Your sadness reads as grief, not bitterness. Grief for a future that almost made sense.
If it helps re-center things: you didn’t lose something you had; you avoided losing something you already own (your LA base) in exchange for something that turned out to be fragile and conditional.
Two gentle reframes—take or leave them:
- Delay, don’t abandon
San Diego access politics ebb and flow. Concessions get renegotiated, challenged, or softened over time. Staying put keeps your optionality intact. - Decouple place from permission
There are other lift-rich, under-managed coastal and inland sites—less famous, more fickle, but freer in spirit. They don’t advertise themselves as loudly as Torrey, but they exist.
Either way: your hesitation is rational, not defeatist.