[Neil Larson]

For those of you who do not know...this You Tube Video , contains movies from the very early days.
The Contest seen is the 3rd Annual Otto Lilenthal Hang Glider Meet July 1973.
To My Knowledge8 This is the Only Known film in existence to show Founding Members of the "current" USHPA (*original membership #) Jack Lambie , Lloyd Licher #4 , Dick Eipper #1 , Joe Faust #5 , Frank Colver #7 , Dave Cronk #14 , Chris Talbot-Jones #17 and also Taras Kiceniuk Jr. #39 , Mike Riggs #77 , along with Bob & Chris Wills.
***Please, be advised*** No other film exists anywhere... with this many charter members of the original Southern California Hang Gliding Association (SCHGA) -
***all footage was contributed for digital transfer by the family of Chris Talbot-Jones.
if you can make an idetification of a pilot , or "location" , or date of event... please post your info here so we can continue to make notes on this You Tube video as a historic piece of evidence, thank you , Neil Larson USHPA #24
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[Merlin]

Fascinating content... but boy that transfer is rough. The flicker is literally headache inducing for me. The quality of the Barry Palmer videos is actually quite good (no flicker) and 10 years older than this. Does the original film still exist or was this a digitized VHS recording (made right off the projected image)?

[Neil Larson]

Merlin-----
-------- I spent over a year attempting to locate a "useable working projector that could run both *mm & the "newer" Super Eight Films.... However the glitch was with each projector I uncovered in my search ....there were malfunctions with each unit. from bulbs to power supplys to mechanical breakage. I managed to find a working 8 / Super 8 film EDITOR, a hand cranked unit with a 4 inch viewer.
So I placed my Sony Video Camera right dead in front of that 4 inch viewer and pressed "Record" as I hand turned the cranks, I had to get all the calibration down to a science to get it in frame and then used my very best Buster Keaton , Cameraman hand crank method... The flicker comes from the paddlewheel frame paddle inside the editor which mechanically advances the film over the small 3/8 inch lens, then into 2 mirrors inside the editor and unto the 4 inch opaque screen-
The quality has nothing to do with the "film" or the age of the film . If a US HAWKS member will ship a working 8/Super8 projector to us here, we will make needed re-productions of all these films- But in the 12 months I had custody of the rare films belonging to the Talbot-Jones family, this was the best I could do- Yes I realize if we could sponsor a Hollywood Company to make a high quality duplication or bump these up to 16 mm for re-mastering and then to digital the quality will be Brilliant. Maybe Larry Dighera has the only remaining 8mm projector ? If anyone has one (working) in the closet ...send it UPS to me ! Thanks

[Merlin]

Wow, that sounds like a LOT of work. Seems like the recovery of the old films is worthy of a small USHPA fund. I'm sure there are a ton of reels in shoe boxes across the country.

[Neil Larson]

I work for a local Professional Recording Studio so we are always expanding our production equipment.
We continue to do projects for military, government, & universities. Future 8mm projects can be done, And we continue to search for upgrades in our facilities. I encourage anyone to contact me with their old films - and I assure you we will use better equipment!

[Frank Colver]

I have still photos of that 1973 Otto meet at Escape Country that I have digitized.

fcolver

[Bob Kuczewski]

Super footage Neil !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I posted a few comparisons (then and now) on the Otto Birthday Celebration topic. Here's a sample:

THEN (early 1970's):

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Now (Early 2010's):

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Thanks for posting that super video!!

[Neil Larson]

BOB K , I think this is the correct LINK to the 8mm film footage from Victoria "TJ" McBride , she will be attending on Saturday , please make her "WELCOME" ......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcBr6yUnDiA

[JoeF]

Welcome Victoria "T-J" McBride !
...
She strongly enthusiastically ran her wings to get airspeed and then flew
airframed parawing hang gliders and also
Dunne evolutes via Kiceniuk and Christopher T-J designs.
She robustly supported the family printing operation in Pasadena, CA
that supported HG construction projects and some HG printing.
She provided warmth at meets and fully participated with her son.
Enough hats off for her has yet to occur. Her works and spirit tied together
many early renaissance strands. She played a part in obtaining the Self-Soar Association (S-SA) logo (see her shirt in the 8 mm video). Production, sales, energetic involvement:
she was front and center, yet forwarded others. Thanks, Vicky.

Best,
Joe

[Neil Larson]

...In the above PHOTO

Behind / next to Jack Lambie is Chris Talbot-Jones original designer of USHGA LOGO ...........
BTY I made those Red SCHGA Arm Bands the night before the meet , Jack kept 2 of them in the glove compartment of his Honda Civic and used them on numerous occasions to get into hang glider events for "FREE" .........