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Re: Concerning Dennis Pagen

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:06 am

Steve R (Steve Rodrigues) replied:

"Who are we? Three pilots who want to see change and know that our flying credentials will be pulled if we speak out openly. Sadly that is the kind of power and retribution we risk and we're not willing to never fly again.


What a crock of BS excuse for not having the balls to confront a man face to face. Cowards have zero credibility in my book, so even if there were a single grain of truth to their words, it has no value due to the source.


Steve Rodrigues knows very well that USHPA would not have been able to expel me if I hadn't stood behind my words and my testimony ... with my name. I hadn't violated any of USHPA's bylaws or SOPs, yet he (and the entire USHPA Board) voted to expel me on the very fuzzy grounds that my words were "contrary" to USHPA's interests. Yet Steve uses this legitimate fear to brand the comments with "zero credibility" just because they wanted to remain anonymous. I'd say Steve Rodrigues has zero credibility.
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Re: Concerning Dennis Pagen

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:15 am

See Howeto Fly replied:

According to the article Dennis hates Davis. Hummmmm, could the reverse also be true. To publish something this scathing without publishing the names behind the story makes me wonder if Davis has other reasons over and beyond reporting and keeping us (the pilots) informed.
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Re: Concerning Dennis Pagen

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:15 am

Kingstilts replied:

A despicable and cowardly letter lacking in specifics and full of character disparaging innuendos. It can serve only to be hurtful to the man who has done more to further my enjoyment and safety in this sport than any other.

Perhaps the letter was intended only for the personal attention of the BOD. If so, I find Davis's willingness to widely distribute such hurtful drivel to be ill considered if not malicious.

More self destructive behavior from our membership…

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Re: Concerning Dennis Pagen

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:17 am

Davis replied twice:

No, I don't hate Dennis.


It is good to see that there are critiques of this email from these guys.

It is unfortunate that the critiques are so weak.

They blame me for publishing it.

They blame the writers for hiding their identity.

Is there no substance?
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Re: Concerning Dennis Pagen

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:18 am

See Howeto Fly replied:

The fact that they hide behind their computers screens hammering out accusations is reason enough to critique this article. Most real news outlets would never post an article like this in their "letters to the editor" section without the writers listing who they are. This is poor reporting at best and outright slander at worst. If I were Dennis I would be contacting my attorney.
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Re: Concerning Dennis Pagen

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:19 am

Davis replied:

It may be your motivation, but that does not mean that you have provided any substance.
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Re: Concerning Dennis Pagen

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:20 am

Big Bird replied:

So true…

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SeeHowetoFly wrote:Most real news outlets would never post an article like this in their "letters to the editor" section without the writers listing who they are. This is poor reporting at best and outright slander at worst.
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Re: Concerning Dennis Pagen

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:21 am

Gotandem replied:

I wonder if some of you guys read the first sentence of the email:
"Concerned Guys<<ridgeliftguys1>> writes:
This was sent yesterday to USHPA and blind copied most of the BOD and candidates."
It was already published.
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Re: Concerning Dennis Pagen

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:22 am

Eric J replied:

Gotandem wrote:I wonder if some of you guys read the first sentence of the email:
"Concerned Guys<<ridgeliftguys1
writes:
This was sent yesterday to USHPA and blind copied most of the BOD and candidates."
It was already published.
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How does sending an email constitute "published"?
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Re: Concerning Dennis Pagen

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:23 am

Davis replied:

Yes, Bart, it concerns me when some of my readers appear to be blind. I am showing them a letter that went to the USHPA and all the BOD members and candidates. They don't wish to know that this is being presented as an issue to be dealt with at the upcoming BOD meeting?

Argh!
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