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 Post subject: BH request funds
PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:18 am 
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Hi Bob,

Was looking at the agenda of the Fall BOD meeting, Oct, 21.

In the New Business, Brad Hall is requesting funds for Torrey.
Do you know any more about this?

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 Post subject: Re: BH request funds
PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:04 am 
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I don't know the details of this, but I suspect Brad Hall is using our membership money to ingratiate himself with other groups and/or individuals (Soaring Council?, Torrey Concession?, Bill Liscomb?).

This is what politicians do. They spend taxpayer money to build themselves up and gain favor with others. I know the Soaring Council has been working on a film project, and I suspect Brad Hall is trying to get us (USHPA members) to pay for it so he can look good among those who are working on the film.

Now the film itself may actually be a good thing, and I'm not against us promoting Torrey Pines via the Soaring Council or a film. But Brad Hall opposed the Soaring Council when I first worked to get it started, and yet now he's willing to give them our money as long as they continue to oppose the Hawks. I wonder how supportive Brad Hall would be if the Soaring Council actually voted to include the Hawks?

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 Post subject: Re: BH request funds
PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:48 am 
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I guess I was right. I hadn't read Brad Hall's post to the Oz Report when I posted my previous comment. Here's what Brad wrote:

Brad Hall wrote:
Here are the facts. The La Jolla Historical Society is making a film about the story of historic TP gliderport. It is called "Soaring Torrey Pines." It tells the history of TP from the earliest sailplane days to the present. It is produced by Bill Liscomb, so the quality is outstanding. There are many groups involved, both fliers and pilots, as well as people that simply love the site for its historical and visual uniqueness. Many of them are supporting the making of the film through donation requests from their respective local and national associations. The SDHGPA is the local HG & PG club and the USHPA is our national assn. As a RD I was approached and asked to present the request to the BoD at our upcoming meeting. I support the effort and will be glad to make a presentation. This is about preserving the site, now and well into the future, as a soaring destination for all. The film is a tool that has already been helpful. An 11 min. short version is available and will be used in the Torrey Pines State Reserve educational presentations. Thousands of visitors every year will see some great HG and PG footage and may even be enticed to visit the flight park. When City of SD officials are asked to help us, they will get a dvd along with the request. The possibilities are many. The only relationship to the concession at Torrey has been their generous support. See this as an opportunity or a conspiracy, or however you like. As of right now, it is an idea looking for some help.

What's really happening here is that our (USHPA's) money is being used to make one side of a conflict look good (Brad Hall's side and the concessionaire's side) while excluding participation by anyone else - particularly the Torrey Hawks. The Hawks have been asking to be included in these kinds of projects through the Soaring Council for 3 years and Brad Hall has opposed us at every step. Don't forget Brad Hall using his title as "Regional Director" to stab the Hawks in the back with the San Diego City Council. Shameful.

It's also funny how Brad Hall has claimed that USHPA has no say in what the Soaring Council does (voting to add a USHPA chapter, for example) but suddenly we should give them our money?

But here's the biggest crime of all....

The Soaring Council has 3 representatives (clubs) dedicated to RC pilots. It has 2 representatives (clubs) dedicated to sailplane pilots. But it only has 1 representative dedicated to hang gliding pilots and 1 representative dedicated to paragliding pilots (2 representatives total for both sports). This past spring (2010), the USHPA Board voted to try to increase our representation on the Soaring Council, and yet by secret ballot the Soaring Council members voted against adding any new USHPA clubs. You'd think that USHPA would ask to have that corrected before giving them any of our money (no taxation without fair representation). But Brad Hall is urging USHPA to spend membership money on an organization that has thumbed its nose at USHPA - and our sports. Brad Hall has no shame. Maybe this is how he "pays off" the Soaring Council for voting against a USHPA Chapter for him.

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 Post subject: Re: BH request funds
PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 5:31 pm 
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Bob,

I think You are mostly correct about the back scratching.

BH sent me an email after I posted my last message on this topic. He wanted to know why I would ask You about the funds request instead of asking him. :lol: ;) :lol: :roll:

I agree, favors and paybacks!

Now that the S.O. position is gone, the instructors, at least in Tx., really seem smug, like nobody can fly without their approval. IMO

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 Post subject: Re: BH request funds
PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:38 pm 
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SamKellner wrote:
I agree, favors and paybacks!

Brad's big objection to the Hawks was that I was president. Now that Joe Spinney is president, let's see if Brad or the Soaring Council change their tunes. I'm guessing they'll find some other excuse to keep the Hawks out. Joe Spinney even dangled a promise that he wouldn't choose me for the Soaring Council position. I wasn't happy with that explicit exclusion (I don't think clubs should be told who they can and can't choose to represent them), but Joe's promise will further demonstrate for everyone that I was just a convenient excuse for opposing the Hawks. So what's their excuse now?

SamKellner wrote:
Now that the S.O. position is gone, the instructors, at least in Tx., really seem smug, like nobody can fly without their approval. IMO

USHPA has gotten away with making everyone think they're the FAA. They've done it for so long that they've almost convinced themselves. I'd like to see more sites opening up to non-USHPA members and to alternate national organizations. Even though I'm disgusted with the SGAA, I still support them breaking up the USHPA monopoly. If they can do it, then that will pave the way for the US Hawks as well.

Good comments Sam. Some of the smartest people are finding the US Hawks!! :)

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 Post subject: Re: BH request funds
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Yep, What next!

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