[Free]

I'm sure not to be the only person to know that Mark Forbes is a liar, or worse, when it comes to professional ethics.
This thread can be a repository for personal testimonies addressing what a scumbag Mark G. Forbes, has been over the decades he has had his fingers in the till of our former hang gliding organization.

The easiest provable lie from Mark Forbes, with me, Warren Narron, is tied to the corporate theft of a Dragonfly tug that I've discussed before.
Mark Forbes gave fake credibility to the corporation that stole the Moyes Dragonfly, by purposefully lying about the matter at the old USHGA list on Yahoo.
Mark Forbes, rather cowardly, came in to take shots at me after past President of USHGA, Jim Zeisit, had banned me from that list.
I know it has been a long time but I don't think the statute of limitations has run out on scumbaggery.

Jim Zeisit as President and Mark Forbes as treasurer, presided over the near financial destruction of USHGA about that same time.
No clear explanation of that has ever been given to the membership.
Mark Forbes knows where all the bodies are buried and that is probably why he still has his dirty fingers in all matters u$hPa Corporation.
Jim Zeisit quietly slipped out the door. Davis Straub, at the time, threw him some cover with an inference that maybe ol' Jim might be having some memory problems. Maybe he couldn't remember where all the money went.
JZ did make a sizeable donation to the Women's team later, as everything was swept under the rug.. and para-gliders were then brought into the corporation for a quick cash infusion.
Mark Forbes deserves a fair trial and appropriate sanction from his peers/fellow pilots, and hopefully from the USHAWKS organization.

More info can be developed with discussion on how to proceed.
Lately, I haven't been very prolific in writing. No internet at home so access is limited.
Others please jump in with your personal issues with the sleazy ethics of Mark Forbes, .. and others, to keep the ball rolling.

Mark Forbes loves the spotlight and he deserves it.
I hope that he will come here in his own defense. If he doesn't think he is, or was a liar, he should try to make that point.
This developing indictment is his invitation.

My internet access is shutting down.. later, ..

[Bob Kuczewski]

Great topic Warren.

When I was Regional Director in (2009/2010) I walked into the USHPA office after a meeting and purchased site insurance for the Torrey Hawks at Torrey Pines. It was a simple no-nonsense transaction, as it ought to be. I filled out the paperwork and paid the fee to the USHPA staff person at the counter. She gave me a receipt (which I still have).

Just about that time Mark Forbes showed up and said that he wouldn't issue the insurance because there might be another club interested in the site. "Why should that matter?" I asked. Then he went into a song and dance about two clubs competing for a site. I asked him if the other club (SDHGPA) had ever applied for insurance. Mark replied with something like "Well no ... but they might".

I could smell a rat, but I didn't want an argument, so I suggested that he could keep our club's application (and money) on file so we'd be first in line. He agreed to that. But he lied.

Over time he began hounding me to take the money back, but I refused. I wouldn't cash the refund checks he'd begun to send, so he eventually sent me some kind of cashiers check which I also refused to cash. In other words, Mark Forbes was willing to throw away hundreds of dollars rather than treat the Torrey Hawks fairly.

But the point here is that Mark G. Forbes lied when he said we could keep our application on file. He knew very well that he was never going to approve site insurance for our club.

But Here's the saddest part. I read that Mark G. Forbes lost his Regional Director election last year (see the Sylmar club forum). There was some celebration over that, but I predicted that USHPA would find a way to keep him on anyway. Guess what ... he's still there.

USHPA Presidents and USHPA Executive Directors have come and gone, but the one constant throughout all of USHPA's misdeeds has been Mark Forbes.

Great topic Warren.

[DaveSchy]

Be fair, Forbinian logic dictates that one lies only when one is moving their lips, typing, or, presumably, contemplating telling the truth!

[Bob Kuczewski]

Be fair, Forbinian logic dictates that one lies only when one is moving their lips, typing, or, presumably, contemplating telling the truth!

[Free]

Be fair, Forbinian logic dictates that one lies only when one is moving their lips, typing, or, presumably, contemplating telling the truth!

Do you have any solid proof that Mark G. Forbes has ever contemplated telling the truth, because I have my doubts.
In my one personal experience with him he lied when the truth would have been easier.

[Free]

Great topic Warren.

Glad you like it. I think it has growth potential from others telling their stories. It's good you aren't worried about perhaps getting a sternly worded letter from the borg about slander and libel and such. Mark Forbes is a liar and everybody knows it. The deal with me is that he lied in conjunction and collusion in the commission of a crime. He should be impeached and removed from any office that U$hPa creates for him. His unethical behavior has already spanned 2 decades and he really needs to be term limited.

Sorry my time is limited on line. I meant to write more, and quicker. Shut down @ library 19 minutes and I am a slow hunt and pecker.
The thing with Mark as U$hga Treasurer, and Jim Zeisit, as President of U$hga and controlling moderator of the old Yahoo list, tag teaming me out of hang gliding would look like a conspiracy of sorts with and in concert with the unrepentant thief that goes by the nickname Blindrodie, who also happened to be a fake elected U$hga Regional Director.

On that piece of commentary I'll have to sign of and promise to get back sooner than before.

Also, I don't think Mark Forbes will comment here . 95% sure, only because his arrogance could overcome his cowardice.. only 5% chance that will happen.
Later

[Bob Kuczewski]

From the Sylmar Forum:

This just in! 

BobK, 

You have deposed Mark Forbes. Matt Henzi has been elected into his seat. 

https://www.ushpa.org/page/2018-regiona ... on-results 

WOW!!!!!!! 

That's BIG news.!!!! 

Regional Director PLURALITY 

matt hanzi 1 vote (0.3%) 
mark forbes 3 votes (1.0%) 
NOT mumbo gumbo flatulence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1 vote (0.3%) 
Tom Johns 1 vote (0.3%) 
Mark Forbes (I) 135 votes (46.7%) 
Matt Henzi 148 votes (51.2%) 

Matt Henzi wins with 51.2% of the vote. 

Thanks Doug!!!!!!! 
I saw it here first on the good old Sylmar Forum. 

 

And now for the bad news ... 

As I was posting your good news on the U.S. Hawks Forum, I remembered that the USHPA Board can effectively thwart the will of the members by appointing their cronies as "At Large" Directors to keep them in power. It wouldn't surprise me to see that happen in this case.

My prediction was sustained ... and I wasn't surprised.

[Free]

And now for the bad news ... 

As I was posting your good news on the U.S. Hawks Forum, I remembered that the USHPA Board can effectively thwart the will of the members by appointing their cronies as "At Large" Directors to keep them in power. It wouldn't surprise me to see that happen in this case.

My prediction was sustained ... and I wasn't surprised.

Back after Mark Forbes and Jim Zeisit had nearly bankrupted U$HGA, and after Jayne DePanfilis came in as Executive Director and revived the husk of the organization with the influx of Para-gliding money.. stay with me now, her live-in room-mate David Glover won an election as President of U$HGA.

Jim Zeisit, left under such a dark cloud of miss-spent money/leakage that the board (lawyer) decided that David Glover could not be allowed to occupy the office. So he didn't.
Jayne had turned the corporation around by cutting out all the loose spending and with the help of PG money. She was openly disparaged by JZ and I'm sure Mark Forbes, who was Treasurer at the time all that money disappeared..

They couldn't let Glover take over the office as President because they knew he would/could steal more than JZ and MGF because he was sleeping with the Executive Director... who used to be the office person at Lookout Mt. GA.
Then they got rid of Jane and brought in the first of the outside corporate insiders for a LOT more money than they paid Jayne. does this make any sense...

Just throwing this out there as history of the decades old problems misshandling membership money.
A "non profit, volunteer organization" that can't and won't answer questions and kicks people out that ask them.
I think if the books were really investigated MGF could be doing some time.
We already know where he is going to spend eternity.
Thermals abound but he ain't that much of a pilot.

[JoeF]

Mark-ForbesORG

RICO comes to mind.

RICO stands for Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, a federal statute designed to bust up organized crime syndicates.

[SamKellner]

The thing with Mark as U$hga Treasurer, and Jim Zeisit, as President of U$hga and controlling moderator of the old Yahoo list, tag teaming me out of hang gliding would look like a conspiracy of sorts with and in concert with the unrepentant thief that goes by the nickname Blindrodie, who also happened to be a fake elected U$hga Regional Director.

https://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56939

WOW that 360 video really kicks a**!

8)

Speaking of Mills, heard you had a line on one. Info?
Please pm me.

Who's Millenium is he talking about here, Warren?

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