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Re: Hello US Hawks!!

Postby wingspan33 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:33 pm

SteveMiller wrote:Hello to all, I flew a hang glider on Monday for the first time in 20 years, and what a great day! I was welcomed to Dockweiler and helped out tremendously by Bob K. and got help from Bryan and Juan Carlos when I couldn't remember how to set up my Glider. The glider is a lot harder to carry than I remember.
My History: I started flying in southern New York in the 70's, I wish I had the dates (74?) . . .


Steve, this is Scott Wise (or Wheezer as some called me during the 80s). Do you remember me? Your name is fairly common but I think I remember you from Ellenville. I'm now located in south central NYS about 80 miles south of Rochester. I'm very glad to have a fellow Ellenville flier show up here! It's great that you got to experience Dockweiler. I've flown there back in 2015 and 2016 during the Otto meet.
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Re: Hello US Hawks!!

Postby SteveMiller » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:55 pm

Hi Scott,
Great to hear from a fellow Ellenville pilot. Not sure if we met up while we were there though, I relocated from NY to Tempe AZ in 1978. I remember Wurtsboro, but the flying hand moved to Ellenville at the point we showed up.

Very impressed with your Bamboo Butterfly, too bad we didn’t connect in ’74, that would have been cool!

Jim Aronson of the EZ Wider flying team (I had a shirt) and Ducha Cagnes had the local glider shop. A guy named Ed Perry always had the latest, hottest Eipper glider. I was still flying a Chandelle standard, or a Plyable Moose, or a Bobcat II.
Good to make contact, I miss the NY countryside sometimes.
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Re: Hello US Hawks!!

Postby wingspan33 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:43 pm

SteveMiller wrote:Hi Scott,
Great to hear from a fellow Ellenville pilot. Not sure if we met up while we were there though, I relocated from NY to Tempe AZ in 1978. I remember Wurtsboro, but the flying had moved to Ellenville at the point we showed up.

Very impressed with your Bamboo Butterfly, too bad we didn’t connect in ’74, that would have been cool!

Jim Aronson of the EZ Wider flying team (I had a shirt) and Ducha Cagnes had the local glider shop. A guy named Ed Perry always had the latest, hottest Eipper glider. I was still flying a Chandelle standard, or a Plyable Moose, or a Bobcat II.
Good to make contact, I miss the NY countryside sometimes.


I knew Jim and Duka very well. Also Ed Perry was one of my instructors back in May-June-July of 1975. In fact, he told me about Wurtsboro and then Elleville. So he was instrumental in my early days of mountain flying. :thumbup: I worked up to a Flexi 3 and then turned into a Wills Wing pilot after buying a 179 Raven in 1980. We had to meet at least a few times. Was the road built up to the "upper launch" in Ellenville before you left? I remember having to hike up from Rt 52 to the upper launch. But I also remember a few years of road launching from Rt 52. Man, the memories that come into mind! :D :thumbup: Like the first time I hooked a thermal at 400 ft over the LZ - in my Flexi Flier 17. I couldn't figure out why I wasn't losing altitude! :wtf: :lol:

Once again, welcome to the US Hawks!
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Re: Hello US Hawks!!

Postby SteveMiller » Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:56 pm

Thank you Scott, and yes indeed those memories keep flooding back – and I don’t have a single photo to show for it – dang!

At Ellenville, the road to the upper launch was built just before I left. The one time we went to try it (in a VW Micro-Bus with bald tires) we couldn’t make it up the slippery slope, so we had to settle for launching off the ramp on Route 52.

I remember going to an instructor clinic at Holiday Mtn, in nearby Monticello, with Bob Dornan and Dennis Pagen. I went to Hook Mtn, Nyack NY, with Ed Perry one time to reconnoiter flying sites (all my flying there was done strictly solo), ah the memories.

Flexi III? I demo’d one at Ellenville, it was the most maneuverable glider (best roll rate) I ever flew, loved it. I think the sport should move back in that direction, toward more maneuverable gliders. Like ride the ski-lift up, and then fly a slalom course down the mountain with a light-weight glider (control surfaces?) and harness.
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Re: Hello US Hawks!!

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:18 am

SteveMiller wrote:Flexi III? I demo’d one at Ellenville, it was the most maneuverable glider (best roll rate) I ever flew, loved it. I think the sport should move back in that direction, toward more maneuverable gliders. Like ride the ski-lift up, and then fly a slalom course down the mountain with a light-weight glider (control surfaces?) and harness.

There's a lot to be said in favor of that idea. As pilots do more flying, they naturally want better performance. But in pursuit of better performance for advanced pilots, it's easy to forget how much fun it is for new pilots to fly anything. An easy glider that gets people in the air quickly should always have a place in our sport.

Thanks Steve!!!      :wave:
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Re: Hello US Hawks!!

Postby Frank Colver » Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:25 am

It's possible that some general purpose version of my "HG Basic Trainer" design (if it ever gets built) could fill that desire.

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