[magentabluesky]

Yea, I get it.

Little Scottie and Bobbie are living in a make believe world.

The US Fantasy Hawks.

[wingspan33]

Yea, I get it.

Little Scottie and Bobbie are living in a make believe world.

The US Fantasy Hawks.

I seem to remember a couple months ago that someone claimed to have an issue with another member of the US Hawks. Four people, besides the person being accused, considered the claim and found that it lacked a valid basis. So, four reasonable people (discounting the accused) found that the "claim" made by this member was unfounded.

That could be worded differently as this - "That member's claim was not based in reality. Perhaps it even originated in a make believe world."

The lead off quote, above, uses the word "are". It does not say "may be" or "in my opinion, could be". Mr. Grisham, I would like you to define exactly who "Scottie and Bobbie" are. I don't want to make any erroneous assumptions.

If you more specifically identify these two named individuals and they are members of the US Hawks, then what you are saying could be taken as another negative and disparaging statement. Such statements don't tend to lead to positive exchanges.

Personally, I've used the name little Mikey Grisham because I felt that I was dealing with a person/adult(?) that was behaving more like 4 year old throwing a tantrum. If a member of the US Hawks can't manage to act like a mature, respectful adult, then perhaps a title befitting a screaming infant is a better fit.

[Bob Kuczewski]

Yea, I get it.

Little Scottie and Bobbie are living in a make believe world.

The US Fantasy Hawks.

Michael.Grisham,

You seem to be living in a make believe world where the banning of pilots does not cause them any pain or harm. In the real world, there's no doubt that Jack's banning of Joe Faust has caused Joe both pain and harm.

It may be true that Jack might have a "legal" right to cause such pain and harm to Joe. No one has seriously argued against such a legal "right". We have, however, argued against those who support Jack's abuses by propping up Jack's web site with posts that do not at least include a protest of Jack's mistreatment of Joe.

Is that clear enough?

[choppergirl]

I'm finding EAA deletes my comments off their Youtube videos immediately, so they can doubly bite me. Don't patronize or support any organization that practices censorship.... just my two cents.

Back when I ran a game server, you could say whatever you wanted on it, call me a fat cow, talk trash at me, even spout baseless vitriol. As long as there was any small amount of intelligence behind it at work to put words together to communicate some message, whether I agreed with it or liked it or not, I let it pass. About the only thing I banned was repetitive spam or robot spam that clogged up the channel and had no useful content to it.

[Bob Kuczewski]

Don't patronize or support any organization that practices censorship.... just my two cents.

Amen. Amen. Amen.

There's far too much "shaping" of truth in the so called "information age". Your statement is perfect, and it underscores one of the central problems in the sport of hang gliding. Thanks!

[Bob Kuczewski]

Ben Reese

I just heard from Ben Reese that he was banned from ozreport.com operated by Davis Straub. As usual, there was no notice given and no due process review. To the general public, it might appear that Ben didn't have anything more to say. That's not true, and these bannings continue to harm the vitality within the sport of hang gliding.

In speaking with Ben, I could hear that the ban has also decreased his interest in hang gliding in general. I don't blame him, and being disconnected from the pilot community has probably cost the sport many otherwise active participants. The sport of hang gliding is too small to be continuously decimated by the petty tyrants that operate USHPA, hanggliding.org, and ozreport.com.

I've updated the first post in this topic to reflect Ben's recent ban. I believe this is the only list of such bans available anywhere, and yet even this list is likely incomplete. Most bans are done without much fanfare, and the banned pilot just disappears.

[Bob Kuczewski]

Little Scottie and Bobbie are living in a make believe world.

The US Fantasy Hawks.

Actually, Michael, it is you who are living in a "fantasy world" created by Jack Axaopoulos on hanggliding.org. Jack Axaopoulos rewrites the history of the posts on his site to reflect his own fantasy. Here's the proof:

First example:

Al Hernandez criticized Jack, and that didn't fit Jack's fantasy, so Jack Axaopoulos changed Al's post to read:

But I like to touch little boys.

Here's how it appeared on hanggliding.org:

Jack_Slanders_Al.png (56.18 KiB) Viewed 6062 times

That's a disgusting lie Michael, and you've said nothing about it.

Second example:

Scott Wise had a long and distinguished history of posting on hanggliding.org. That's why Scott was universally accepted as Transtion Team Chairman for the embryonic HGAA in 2010. But when Scott spoke out against Jack's abuses, Jack Axaopoulos banned Scott to make him "disappear" from Jack's little fantasy.

But banning Scott wasn't enough for Jack Axaopoulos, so Jack deleted ALL of Scott's posts. Jack Axaopoulos completely erased all of Scott's history on hanggliding.org to suit Jack's fantasy.

Third example:

Jack Axaopoulos did the same to me. When I spoke up about Jack's abuses on the HGAA, Jack banned me and eventually deleted every post I'd ever made on hanggliding.org. He deleted all of that history about what had been done by USHPA, David Jebb, Brad Hall, Lisa Tate, Mark Forbes, and all the rest. Jack has created a fantasy history on hanggliding.org that excludes everything I contributed there for years. Go ahead and take a look for any post that I'd made to hanggliding.org. They're all gone ... just like Scott's posts.

Conclusion:

When it comes to living in a fantasy "make believe" world, that's exactly what you live in on hanggliding.org. And that's how the sport of hang gliding is being "murdered" (to use Rick Masters' term). The U.S. Hawks still contains every post you've ever made here Michael Grisham. It contains the totality of your statements - good and bad - for as long as you've been posting here. Not a single character has been altered or deleted. Think about that for a while before making your unfounded and unsupported statements.

[Bill Cummings]

By the way Bob, the City of San Diego did not follow the Brown Act as you requested during your last council video.

[Craig Muhonen]

Re: USHPA Revokes Tandem Exemption from Air California Adven
Postby Bob Kuczewski » Sun Aug 04, 2019 5:20 pm

On Oct 15, 2016, Rick Masters wrote:
Bob, It's too bad so many pilots willfully keep themselves in the dark about what is happening with the USHPA.
It is hard to believe so many could be so stupid as to rely on OZ report and the other censorship site for information while pretending http://USHawks.org does not exist.


As true today as it was nearly 3 years ago.
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As hot of a topic as ever there was one, or two, or three.(And so many more topics related to u$hpa , small letters)
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[Bob Kuczewski]

"Banned of Brothers" or "Cancel Culture in Hang Gliding" ?

This topic was started 10 years ago this month (Feb 16, 2011). At that time, the term "Cancel Culture" was unknown to many of us. But that was exactly what we were already seeing and experiencing with USHPA, hanggliding.org, and the Oz Forum.

The "Cancel Culture" reared its ugly head in the sport of hang gliding about a decade before it gained common use in our society. But it was based on the same desperate need to silence those ideas that cannot be defeated in rational debate.