Roll up your sleeves, leave your ego at the door...
Forum rules
Speak your mind. Try to be courteous to others.
Don't be too shy to say what you think.
Don't be too proud to say you were wrong.

Re: The Contagion Spreads - Global Corruption in HG/PG Group

Postby TadEareckson » Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:47 am

What is the US Hawks?

The US Hawks is a national hang gliding organization designed to give all hang glider pilots a platform for sharing information and a focal point for pooling their efforts to further their own flying and the sport of hang gliding.

A guy buys a 1975 standard for twenty bucks at a garage sale, reads the instructions on how to set it up and fly it, parks at the scenic overlook pull-off, hops over the guardrail, stalls downwind from thirty feet over the pasture a thousand feet below, gets a ride in a helicopter, and starts learning how to get through the next two thirds of his life without the ability to use his legs.

1. Was he engaging in the sport of hang gliding?

2. Was he a hang glider pilot?

3. If yes on the above, how good an idea is it for US Hawks to be furthering the sport of hang gliding?

4. If no then what are the cutoff points for our definitions?
TadEareckson
User avatar
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 456
Joined: Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:07 am

Re: The Contagion Spreads - Global Corruption in HG/PG Group

Postby TadEareckson » Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:26 pm

A guy with the appropriate card buys a 2010 competition supership from an authorized Wills Wing dealer.

He takes it to an airstrip and elects not to use wheels - not because of any drag issue but because they have caused him as many incidents as assistance and he prefers not to have them.

He puts his topless bladewing on a launch dolly and connects it to the end of a two thousand pound rope trailing behind a hundred horsepower airplane using a little loop of fishing line which he and everyone and his dog have known for the past twenty years is so light that it commonly - sometimes six times in a row - disintegrates at random with the glider stable in perfect position and the air doing absolutely nothing and occasionally results in ambulance rides.

The wind is switching and he knows that there's a fifty/fifty shot that he'll be launching in a tailwind.

He launches in a tailwind and, with the glider stable in perfect position five feet off the runway and the air doing absolutely nothing, six seconds after the tug hits the gas the little loop of fishing line disintegrates.

The glider crashes downwind - spectacularly but inconsequentially.

The guy then hikes his glider from beyond the far end of the runway back to the line, GETS ANOTHER LOOP OF THE EXACT SAME FISHING LINE from the pecker measuring contest officials who've JUST SEEN WHAT'S HAPPENED, gets back on the cart - again with no wheels, and gives it another shot.

This time he gets a whole sled ride out of the exercise before flying through the control frame on touchdown.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTa6XL16i0U

1. Is he engaging in the sport of hang gliding?

2. Is he a hang glider pilot?

3. If yes on the above, how good an idea is it for US Hawks to be furthering the sport of hang gliding?

4. If no then what are the cutoff points for our definitions?

5. Can't a pretty good case be made that this guy is an astronomically bigger bozo than the paraplegic garage sale guy?

6. Can't a pretty good case be made that all the other pecker measuring contest people present who keep doing the same thing decade after decade are also astronomically bigger bozos than the paraplegic garage sale guy?
TadEareckson
User avatar
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 456
Joined: Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:07 am

Re: The Contagion Spreads - Global Corruption in HG/PG Group

Postby TadEareckson » Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:36 pm

Jonathan Dietch - 2008/12/05
Southern California

I think I know Steve Pearson well enough to say that he's busy keeping the shop running. On fumes that is. R&D takes time and money and lots of it. Pearson, and I'm sure Gerolf as well as others have 10-20 times more ideas they'd like to to try than they have the time of the capital to pursue.

I was a pretty successful designer, builder, and test pilot for many years because I lived at home with my mom and dad and didn't pay any rent. There was a decent sixty foot bunny hill four miles away and a large park next to our house where I could at least take out my prototypes for a run. None of my designs ever went into production although several could have. On top of that I met other designers of my era (1974-1981) and came to the startling conclusion that for every cool idea I came up with, at least three other people had already conceived something similar. The prize went to the person who could build it and fly it and demonstrate its success in public.

I read the Oz Report and I'm familiar with the power steering thread. I honestly don't know whether it could be made to work reliably and safely in a full scale model under real world conditions. I just don't know. The cost of finding this out could easily run from anywhere between $10 and $100,000. Even assuming that it was the bee's knees doesn't mean that the market is ready for it. Throughout history, many extraordinary products have sat on shelves while the manufacturer went bankrupt for no other reason than the market just wasn't there at the time.

I don't think any HG manufacturer has a surplus of time of working capital at the moment. In a few years when things have turned around, maybe the time will be right. Until then, keep the dreams alive!

If he had been developing a tow system system on his own thirty years ago he would NEVER have used a weak link half an ounce up from normal tow tension - he'd have used the sailplane model.

And if he HAD used a weak link half an ounce up from normal tow tension he would've immediately dope slapped himself and tripled the rating.

But if you put an intelligent person in an an established herd of idiot clones he IMMEDIATELY becomes a hardwired idiot clone.

Group intelligence... IQ of the stupidest person in the group divided by the number of people in the group.

Recommend that we keep the US Hawks Towing Committee as small as possible - at least until I agree with myself on my weak link specifications.
TadEareckson
User avatar
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 456
Joined: Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:07 am

Simple Physics Is Not Conspiracy

Postby Free » Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:32 pm

TadEareckson wrote:
Bent versus straight pins is about the highest level of complexity that I can handle in the physics department. Fortunately that's as high as I need to go to increase the safety of aerotowing by about 97 percent. So how 'bout Bob appointing me as Towing Committee Chairman and somebody much better qualified to head the US Hawks 9/11 Conspiracy Investigation Team?


Baloney. Any 10 year old kid with a lick of sense that hasn't been indoctrinated out of him can see that buildings collapsing at free fall speed through the path of greatest resistance is a big problem if one were to place any value in basic laws of physics.

One conspiracy in all of this is why do so many otherwise capable thinkers refuse to honestly examine the facts and evidence in a scientific manor?

The ability of cognitive thinking has been socially engineered out of so many of us through indoctrination centers called schools.

Fear of being singled out and ostracized for thinking outside the approved mindset, herd mentality enables one to believe a red object to be blue if that is what authority says it is.

Isn't this what you rail against in the flight park mafia?
Free
User avatar
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 1084
Joined: Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:47 pm

Re: The Contagion Spreads - Global Corruption in HG/PG Group

Postby TadEareckson » Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:27 am

Any 10 year old kid with a lick of sense that hasn't been indoctrinated out of him can see that buildings collapsing at free fall speed through the path of greatest resistance is a big problem if one were to place any value in basic laws of physics.

Of course it might also be a big problem to explain buildings collapsing at free fall speed through the path of the least resistance of whatever was holding them up to begin with. So I tend to just write these things off as other examples of God's little whims - like the Great Flood, the platypus, leprosy, and Jim Rooney being universally hailed for his keen intellect.

The ability of cognitive thinking has been socially engineered out of so many of us through indoctrination centers called schools.

Most of the day Monday through Friday - and on Sunday morning to REALLY make sure.

Fear of being singled out and ostracized for thinking outside the approved mindset...

And not a baseless irrational fear by any stretch of the imagination.

Isn't this what you rail against in the flight park mafia?

Yep.

Mark G. Forbes - 2011/09/29

It's about minimizing the chance of our getting sued out of existence. We're one lawsuit away from that, all the time, and we think hard about it.

And I think the possibility of my scoring some major points sometime down the road ain't all that bad. And that's what I want to focus on.
TadEareckson
User avatar
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 456
Joined: Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:07 am

Re: The Contagion Spreads - Global Corruption in HG/PG Group

Postby TadEareckson » Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:48 am

Bob Kuczewski - 2011/02/14

With regard to the US Hawks, my goal here is to create an alternate national organization that will hopefully be more responsive to its members. That means that we will eventually write our own SOPs and have our own rating system. I believe that will finally introduce competition and that's the basis of our society. If we can do things better than USHPA, then we will attract more members than USHPA. It's that simple. I hope you'll be willing to join us and help us build something we're all proud of.

Bob Kuczewski - 2011/02/16

This site will have to offer more than just politics. So if you've got some nuts and bolts towing information to share, I'd really appreciate it.

Tad Eareckson - 2011/02/17

I've got some really excellent AT SOPs that I spent months writing and tweaking for USHGA. They decided they'd rather spend tens of thousands of dollars on hit men rather that even look at them. They're all yours.

Tad Eareckson - 2011/10/09

P.S. Have you read my Aerotow SOPs and Guidelines yet?

I'll take your response (none to date) as a no...

ian9toes - 2009/06/14

I strongly disagree with banning the one guy who has the most knowledge about safety issues involving what I believe is the most dangerous part of our sport.

Zack C - 2010/10/15

Speaking of which, while I can fault Tad's approach, I can't fault his logic, nor have I seen anyone here try to refute it. You may not like the messenger, but that is no reason to reject the message.

Steve Davy - 2011/08/25

I have been trying to fault Tad's logic and so far been unsuccessful.

...and, given the eight month history here, it's a pretty safe bet that you never will.

But that's OK 'cause the goals here are to create an alternate national organization that will be more responsive than USHPA to its hang glider "pilot" members, compete with it, and do things better so we can attract more members.

And my SOPs are all about clearly defined standards, procedures, and requirements. And there's ABSOLUTELY NOTHING the cult of hang glider "pilots" DESPISES more than clearly defined standards, procedures, and requirements.

With each flight, demonstrates a method of establishing that the pilot is hooked in just prior to launch.

"Hey! I just did a hang check five minutes ago in the setup area! So PHUCK YOU."

"Hey! I NEVER get into my harness unless it's connected to my glider! So PHUCK YOU."

So the way to REALLY create a better dickhead magnet than USHPA has been able is to water down a dungheap of meaningless make-believe regulations even better than they do.

This release shall be operational with zero tow line force up to twice the rated breaking strength of the weak link.

And don't define what either "operational" means or a minimum allowable weak link rating.

And then when it becomes blindingly obvious that not even that is toothless enough...

Bart Weghorst - 2011/02/25

I've had it once where the pin had bent inside the barrel from excessive tow force. My weaklink was still intact. The tug pilot's weaklink broke so I had the rope. I had to use two hands to get the pin out of the barrel.

No stress because I was high.

Last Amended March, 2009

USHPA Aero Vehicle Requirements

Last Amended May, 2011

USHPA Aerotow Equipment Guidelines

...you make the REQUIREMENT a GUIDELINE - a "general rule, principle, or piece of advice"!!! Pure GENIUS!!!

That way, when my nephew gets smashed to a lifeless pulp on the runway after his Weghorst Special welds itself shut and while he's trying to get his hook knife sheath opened you can say to the investigators and my sister's family's attorneys, "Hey! This was just a GUIDELINE and we were using Industry Standard equipment with a LONG track record...

Jim Rooney - 2011/08/25

See, the thing is... "we", the people that work at and run aerotow parks, have a long track record.
This stuff isn't new, and has been slowly refined over decades.
We have done quite literally hundreds of thousands of tows.
We know what we're doing.

...so PHUCK YOU!" And then everybody can talk about how he died doing what he loved and put my family in his prayers.

But I'm probably be totally out to lunch on this.

Bob Kuczewski - 2011/02/21

I don't know how closely you've followed my "political" career at USHPA, but I tend to believe we should be very liberal with the information we give to our pilots, and we should be very conservative with the amount of regulations we place on our pilots. I believe good information should empower our pilots to make good decisions - on their own.

If we just empower our pilots with good information they're BOUND to make good decisions - for themselves and the people they teach, tow, and control.

And now with these burdensome innovation killing REGULATIONS reduced to the level of benign suggestions we're BOUND to see an amazing renaissance in hook knife technology and procedures. Any day now.

Really makes me wonder why you went the aeronautical engineering route when you could've done so much more to advance hang gliding as a USHGA attorney.

My NEW SOPs and Guidelines:

---

Do and use whatever the phuck you feel like - as long as Rooney and Davis say it's OK. And if anything bad happens to someone on the back end of your towline, fear not, Tim Herr will cover it up and keep your a** out of hot water.

---

That short winded enough? Motion for approval?
TadEareckson
User avatar
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 456
Joined: Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:07 am

Evading the implications

Postby Free » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:03 am

TadEareckson wrote:Of course it might also be a big problem to explain buildings collapsing at free fall speed through the path of the least resistance


The physics problem that you don't seem to be able to grasp is how do you explain the ability of the buildings to fall at the speed of NO resistance?

NIST sdmitted that Building 7 fell at the speed of freefall for a distance of 8 stories.
Freefall speed is speed of acceleration with NO resistance.


So I tend to just write these things off as other examples of God's little whims - like the Great Flood, the platypus, leprosy, and Jim Rooney being universally hailed for his keen intellect.


Don't blame God for altering the laws of physics on 9/11/01.
Think he did it because he wanted terrorist to win?

Of course there was conspiracy. You choose to believe one version.
Suspension of disbelief.. blue is red.. why believe your lying eyes?
Free
User avatar
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 1084
Joined: Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:47 pm

One lawsuit away

Postby Free » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:19 am

Mark G. Forbes - 2011/09/29
It's about minimizing the chance of our getting sued out of existence. We're one lawsuit away from that, all the time, and we think hard about it.


Lawyers and crooks
Are hiding the books
A death here and there
But what do we care?
The waiver was signed
out of sight, out of mind

*****

“Everything secret degenerates, even the administration of justice; nothing is safe that does not show how it can bear discussion and publicity.”
-Lord Action
Free
User avatar
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 1084
Joined: Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:47 pm

Re: The Contagion Spreads - Global Corruption in HG/PG Group

Postby terryJm » Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:34 pm

Rick, You are one of the most insiteful contributers on the forum; however ,its so dificult to see the Elephant with a troll in the way of every thing. Best soaring to you and all your kind, p.s. the SPIRIT of the word is by far more important than the $letter$ of th law.
terryJm
User avatar
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 84
Joined: Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:51 am

Re: The Contagion Spreads - Global Corruption in HG/PG Group

Postby TadEareckson » Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:59 pm

RickMasters - 2011/08/06

Jeez, two tug pilots killed so far this year and they're holding tow-me-up-Scottie Nats.
Call me old-fashioned, I never towed. If I can't footlaunch off a mountain, I'm not interested.
Besides, what could be more boring than drifting over flat land?
But that's just me being a curmudgeon.
Have fun if you think that's what fun is.
TadEareckson
User avatar
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 456
Joined: Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:07 am

PreviousNext
Forum Statistics

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 32 guests

Options

Return to Building the US Hawks