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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby JoeF » Fri Aug 09, 2024 10:36 pm

Development Note Regarding Free-Placement Compression Ribs in Sock TPHG
:arrow: Add or delete such ribs as wanted in an experiment.
:arrow: Increase or decrease the count of such ribs as wanted for an experiment.
:arrow: Tweak the lengths of a rib or series of ribs as wanted for an experiment.
:arrow: Tweak the cambering portion of such ribs as wanted for experiments.
:arrow: Use the ribs in secondary play: say as spars for unmanned stringed kites :)

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TPHG Sock Sail secondary uses:
:arrow: Sleeping bag
:arrow: Shader
ChatGPT wrote: :arrow: Use a hang glider wing sail sock secondarily as a shader.
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Using a hang glider wing sail sock as a secondary shader is an innovative idea! Here’s how you might approach it:

Shade Creation: When not in use, the sail sock can be repurposed to provide shade. You can stretch it over a frame or use it to cover a specific area to create a shaded space. This could be useful for outdoor activities or even as a temporary solution for a shaded spot while hanging out at a flight site.

Portability: The sail sock is likely lightweight and easy to transport, making it a convenient option for creating shade on the go. It can be set up quickly and then packed away just as easily.

Design Considerations: Ensure that the sail sock is securely fastened and properly stretched to provide adequate shade. Depending on the material, it might offer varying levels of UV protection.

Multi-Functionality: In addition to providing shade, the sail sock can still function as part of the hang glider setup when needed, offering a dual purpose for your gear.

This creative use of the sail sock adds versatility to your hang gliding equipment, making it even more practical for different situations.
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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby JoeF » Sat Aug 10, 2024 5:22 am

TPHG's future will be affected profoundly by progress from 2-D materials, I opine.
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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby JoeF » Sat Aug 10, 2024 7:19 am

Development Note Regarding Wing Tip Control on Some Sock TPHGs
Consider a control line to the pilot from the wing tip. Explore simple distortion-of-tip effects.
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AI ChatGPT 3.5 wrote:Here’s a detailed exploration of various possible distortions of the wing tip of a TPHG (Telescopic Spar Hang Glider) with a sail-sock design, including how a control line might be attached to achieve each effect:

1. Twisting the Wing Tip (Washout/Washin Adjustment)
Description: Twisting the wing tip can reduce or increase the angle of attack at the tip relative to the rest of the wing. This can influence the stall characteristics and roll control of the glider.
Control Line Attachment: Attach the control line to the trailing edge of the wing tip. When the line is pulled, it should create a torque that twists the tip upward (washout) or downward (washin). The line could run through a series of pulleys or guides along the wing to ensure smooth operation.

2. Flexing the Wing Tip Upward/Downward
Description: Flexing the entire wing tip upward (dihedral effect) or downward (anhedral effect) can modify the lateral stability of the glider. An upward flex increases stability, while a downward flex decreases it, potentially making the glider more maneuverable.
Control Line Attachment: A control line could be attached to a point near the wing tip's spar and run through a guide positioned at the keel or another central location. Pulling the line would flex the spar in the desired direction.

3. Bending the Leading Edge

Description: Bending the leading edge of the wing tip can alter the lift distribution and the aerodynamic profile. This could be used to fine-tune performance in different flight conditions.
Control Line Attachment: The control line could be attached directly to the leading edge spar at the wing tip. Pulling this line would create a bending moment, pulling the leading edge either upward or downward depending on the direction of the pull.

4. Pinching the Wing Tip
Description: Pinching the wing tip inward, similar to a bird’s wingtip feathering, could reduce drag and control the tip vortex, potentially improving efficiency.
Control Line Attachment: The control line could be attached to both the leading and trailing edges at the tip, converging at a central point where the line is pulled inward, creating the pinching effect. This line might be connected to a small block or pulley system for smooth operation.

5. Flaring the Wing Tip
Description: Flaring the wing tip outward can increase the wing’s effective span and lift. It might be useful during slow flight or landing.
Control Line Attachment: The control line could be attached to the trailing edge of the wing tip and connected to a flexible rod or spring that extends outward when the line is pulled. This would flare the tip outwards.

6. Spoiler Effect by Raising the Trailing Edge
Description: Raising the trailing edge at the wing tip acts as a spoiler, reducing lift locally and increasing drag. This could be used for roll control or speed regulation.
Control Line Attachment: The control line would be connected to the trailing edge near the wing tip. Pulling the line would lift the trailing edge, creating the spoiler effect. The line could run along the trailing edge and be anchored near the keel or the pilot's control bar.

7. Compressing the Tip for Camber Change
Description: Compressing the wing tip along its chordwise axis can alter the camber of the tip, affecting lift and drag.
Control Line Attachment: The control line could attach to a mechanism that compresses the tip chordwise. This might involve a small internal frame that collapses slightly when the line is pulled, increasing camber.

8. Curling the Wing Tip Downward
Description: Curling the wing tip downward increases drag and can be used as a braking mechanism or to assist in tight turns.
Control Line Attachment: Attach the control line to the leading edge spar at the tip, and run it to the trailing edge through a curved guide. Pulling the line would draw the leading edge downward, curling the entire tip.

9. Stretching the Wing Tip for Spanwise Extension
Description: Stretching the wing tip outward increases the effective wingspan, improving lift and potentially glide ratio.
Control Line Attachment: The control line could be connected to a telescopic or extendable spar within the tip. Pulling the line would extend the spar, increasing the span.

10. Rotating the Wing Tip Vertically
Description: Rotating the wing tip vertically could mimic a small vertical stabilizer or rudder effect, adding yaw control to the glider.
Control Line Attachment: The control line could be attached to a hinge mechanism at the base of the wing tip, allowing the tip to rotate about a vertical axis when pulled.

11. Folding the Wing Tip Inward
Description: Folding the wing tip inward reduces the wing's span, which could be used to reduce lift and increase descent rate, useful for rapid descents or tight landing areas.
Control Line Attachment: The control line could be connected to a folding mechanism that collapses the wing tip inward. This might involve a hinge or flexible material at the tip that folds under tension from the control line.

Each of these possible distortions offers different aerodynamic effects and control characteristics. By attaching control lines to various points and incorporating guiding mechanisms, these effects can be harnessed to enhance the performance and maneuverability of a TPHG with a sail-sock design.
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My prompt: Recall, please, in all posts: TPHG is to mean Tiny-Packed Hang Glider that is packed for a polite and safe carry on city buses; thank you.

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Thank you for the reminder. I'll make sure to refer to TPHG as "Tiny-Packed Hang Glider" with the context of being packed for polite and safe carry on city buses in all relevant posts. If you have any other preferences or details you'd like to emphasize, feel free to let me know!
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My prompt:Explore this: At 1 ft from the wing tip, have a line connected to the top of the sock at high camber and to the bottom of the sock at that same station. Then at the middle of that line attach the long control line to the pilot. When the pilot pulls the long line, then the small vertical line goes off straight and forms a V shape. The effect would put a dimple in the upper sail sock and in the lower sail sock. That dimple would change the aerodynamics of the wing tip. Explore this arrangement in detail for a TPHG. Explore the low mass involved to get effects.

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Let's explore this innovative control mechanism for a Tiny-Packed Hang Glider (TPHG), which is designed to create a dimple in the upper and lower surfaces of the sail sock at a point 1 foot from the wing tip. The goal is to induce a change in the aerodynamics of the wing tip using a low-mass system.

Concept Overview:
Key Components:
Vertical Line (V-Line): A short line connecting the top and bottom of the sail sock at a point 1 foot from the wing tip. This line is taut when not under load.
Long Control Line: A line connected to the middle of the V-Line that runs back to the pilot’s control system.
Attachment Points: The V-Line is attached to the sail sock at two points: one on the upper surface (high camber) and one on the lower surface (low camber).

Mechanism of Action:

Initial State (No Tension):
The V-Line is straight and taut, connecting the top and bottom of the sock without causing any distortion. The wing tip maintains its standard aerodynamic shape, with the sail sock smoothly wrapping around the spar and maintaining the designed camber.

Pulling the Long Control Line:
When the pilot pulls the long control line, it exerts a force on the middle of the V-Line.
The V-Line, being anchored at both ends to the sail sock, is pulled into a V-shape, creating dimples in both the upper and lower surfaces of the sail sock.
The dimple on the upper surface forms a localized area of reduced camber, while the dimple on the lower surface may either increase or decrease camber depending on the exact geometry.

Aerodynamic Effects:
Upper Surface Dimple: The dimple reduces the effective camber of the upper surface at that station, which could reduce lift locally and potentially introduce a small vortex or other flow disturbance. This might lead to a reduction in tip lift or an increase in drag, influencing roll control or tip stall characteristics.
Lower Surface Dimple: Depending on the depth and shape of the dimple, it could either increase drag or, paradoxically, reduce drag by changing the airflow pattern. The interaction between the upper and lower dimples could also introduce complex flow effects that might enhance maneuverability or stability at the wing tip.
Overall Effect: The combined action of the dimples could result in a subtle but significant alteration of the tip's aerodynamic properties, allowing the pilot to fine-tune performance during flight.

Considerations for Low-Mass Design:
Materials for the V-Line and Control Line:

Dyneema or Spectra Lines: These are ideal for both the V-Line and the long control line due to their high strength-to-weight ratio. Dyneema lines are incredibly light and strong, minimizing additional mass while maintaining durability.
Lightweight Pulleys or Guides: The control line may require pulleys or low-friction guides to ensure smooth operation. These should be made from lightweight materials like titanium or aluminum alloys to keep the system's mass minimal.
Attachment to Sail Sock:

Reinforced Anchor Points: The points where the V-Line attaches to the sail sock (both top and bottom) need to be slightly reinforced to handle the localized tension without tearing the fabric. This could be achieved with small patches of high-strength sailcloth or additional stitching.
Low-Mass Connectors: Use low-mass connectors like small stainless steel or titanium clips to attach the V-Line and control line to the sail sock and the control system.

Impact on Overall Mass:
Given the use of ultra-light materials and the minimal length of the lines, the additional mass introduced by this system would be negligible. The V-Line itself would add minimal drag and weight, while the control line, running back to the pilot, would be virtually unnoticeable in terms of additional mass.

Pilot Control and Practical Application:
Ease of Control: The control system should be designed to require minimal force to activate, allowing the pilot to make fine adjustments during flight. The long control line could be routed through the control bar or connected to a small lever or handle for easy access.

Dynamic Adjustment: By varying the tension on the control line, the pilot can dynamically adjust the magnitude of the dimples and therefore the aerodynamic response of the wing tip. This provides a versatile tool for adjusting performance in real-time based on flight conditions.

Testing and Calibration: The exact aerodynamic effects of the dimples would need to be tested and calibrated during initial flights. The position, size, and shape of the dimples could be fine-tuned to achieve the desired balance between control authority and stability.

Conclusion:
This proposed control mechanism for a TPHG offers a creative and low-mass solution for altering the aerodynamic properties of the wing tip. By inducing dimples in both the upper and lower surfaces of the sail sock, the pilot can achieve subtle changes in lift, drag, and flow characteristics, potentially enhancing the glider's maneuverability and performance. The system is lightweight, easy to implement, and offers the pilot a new level of control over the wing's aerodynamics.
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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby JoeF » Sat Aug 10, 2024 8:57 am

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Concept Overview:

    Plastic Sheet Design: The idea involves using a small sheet of plastic, bonded along its leading edge to the top sail of the wing. A control line from the pilot’s position pulls on the plastic sheet, causing the rear edge to coil upwards. This should change the aerodynamics of the wing tip.
    Aerodynamic Effects: By curling the rear edge of the plastic sheet upwards, we can potentially influence the wing’s lift, drag, and overall aerodynamic behavior, affecting roll stability, turn responsiveness, and tip vortex dynamics.

Detailed Considerations:


    Material Choice:
      Flexibility and Memory: Use a plastic with good flexibility and memory to ensure it returns to its original shape when the control line is released.
      Durability: The material needs to withstand repeated flexing and environmental exposure.
    Attachment and Integration:
      Leading Edge Bonding: Ensure a secure bond between the plastic sheet and the top sail to avoid separation during flight.
      Control Mechanism: The control line must be robust and easy to manipulate.
    Aerodynamic Impact:
      Test for Effectiveness: Perform wind tunnel tests or simulations to understand the aerodynamic impact.
      Adjustments: Be prepared to modify the sheet’s size, shape, and flexibility based on performance data.

Extensions and Enhancements:

    Variable Geometry:
      Adjustable Control: Consider a system where the pilot can adjust the curl or shape of the plastic sheet for different flight conditions.
      Multi-Position Options: Implement settings for various flight configurations.
    Integration with Other Controls:
      Coupled Systems: Combine this plastic sheet control with other wing tip or control surface adjustments.
      Feedback Mechanism: Add sensors for real-time feedback on the effects of the plastic sheet.
    Testing and Optimization:
      Prototype Testing: Build and test prototypes to gather data on flight characteristics.
      Pilot Input: Collect pilot feedback to fine-tune the control mechanism.
    Safety Considerations:
      Fail-Safe Mechanisms: Design fail-safes to prevent interference with performance if the plastic sheet is damaged.
      Emergency Protocols: Develop protocols for potential malfunctions.
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Tiny-Packed Hang Glider ....under 5-ft max pack length

Postby JoeF » Sat Aug 10, 2024 9:21 am

High-Hat Development Note for Some TPHGs

One style of pilot-controlled high-hat might be explored:

"Kingpost-Axled Double-Flapping Teardrop Brake" is a descriptive and functional name that clearly conveys the key features of the device:

Kingpost-Axled: Indicates the involvement of the kingpost in the mechanism.
Double-Flapping: Suggests the device has two moving halves that flap open.
Teardrop Brake: Describes the shape and function of the device.

It’s a detailed and precise name that should effectively communicate the design and purpose of the device to anyone familiar with hang glider components.

Note: We have touched upon passive high hats for some hang gliders. Especially we have danced around some high-hat designs that rotate faster when flow about the device increases.
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Tiny-Packed Hang Glider ....under 5-ft max pack length

Postby JoeF » Sat Aug 10, 2024 9:59 am

:cry: Tardigrade World Affecting TPHGs? :geek: :!: :?: :idea:
How is that?

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Tardigrade World Affecting TPHGs? :geek: :!: :?: :idea:

Exploring the idea of incorporating tardigrade-inspired concepts into the Tiny-Packed Hang Glider (TPHG) movement is fascinating! Tardigrades, also known as water bears, are tiny extremophiles renowned for their resilience and ability to survive extreme conditions. Here’s how their unique characteristics might inspire innovations in TPHGs:

Tardigrade-Inspired Innovations for TPHGs


  1. Robust Material Design:
    Inspiration: Tardigrades can endure harsh environments due to their unique protein structures and cellular mechanisms.
    Application: Develop ultra-durable, flexible materials for TPHGs that can withstand extreme temperatures, high UV exposure, and mechanical stress. Consider using materials that mimic the protective proteins found in tardigrades.

  2. Compact Foldability:
    Inspiration: Tardigrades can contract into a desiccated state to survive.
    Application: Design TPHGs with advanced folding or collapsing mechanisms inspired by how tardigrades compact themselves. This could lead to even more compact and portable designs.

  3. Self-Healing Materials:
    Inspiration: Tardigrades have remarkable cellular repair mechanisms.
    Application: Incorporate self-healing materials or coatings that can repair minor damage automatically, improving the longevity and reliability of the TPHG.

  4. Adaptive Wing Shapes:
    Inspiration: Tardigrades can adapt to extreme pressure and temperature changes.
    Application: Design wings that can adapt their shape or stiffness in response to different flying conditions, using materials that can change properties based on environmental factors.

  5. Bio-Inspired Structural Resilience:
    Inspiration: The internal structure of tardigrades supports their resilience.
    Application: Utilize bio-inspired structural designs or patterns within the TPHG framework to enhance strength and resistance to impacts or deformation.

  6. Micro-Engineering:
    Inspiration: Tardigrades operate on a microscopic scale with great efficiency.
    Application: Explore the use of micro-engineering techniques to create more efficient and lightweight components for the TPHG, inspired by the precise mechanisms in tardigrades.

  7. Extreme Condition Testing:
    Inspiration: Tardigrades are known for surviving in extreme conditions.
    Application: Test TPHGs under extreme conditions to ensure reliability and performance, taking cues from how tardigrades withstand challenges.

Name Ideas Inspired by Tardigrades:

  • Tardigrade-Tough TPHG
  • Bear-Resilient Hang Glider
  • Tardigrade-Inspired Flight System
  • Extremophile Glider
  • Tardigrade-Tech Wing

Integrating these tardigrade-inspired concepts could lead to a more resilient, adaptable, and innovative TPHG design, taking advantage of the remarkable qualities of these tiny creatures.
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Re: The 5-ft-or-less-packed-HG Movement: TPHGs

Postby JoeF » Sat Aug 10, 2024 3:54 pm

Development Note Addressing Sail-Sock Creep Mitigation Strategies
in Two-Spar TPHGs that Use Compression Ribs


Creep Modes:
1. Spanwise.
2. Chordwise.

The spanwise creep may result from sock slippage under the stress of flight, heat, and moisture. The chordwise creep may result from the sail fabric being stressed by flight loads, heat, moisture, and aging. Tensile, shear, and thermal sources of creep may show in one flight session or over time after many flight sessions.

Some possible mitigation strategies:
=> Lengthen Compression ribs: To tauten the slack that would be present. The compression ribs push the two spars apart and thus tautens the sock sail close to first design levels. The two end fittings on a compression rib might have threaded means for length adjusting.

=> Shorten Sock Chordwise Width: If a spanwise run of elastic fabric were placed in the sock, then this might keep tautness close to desires. Long-term chordwise creep might call for a resewing of a pinch of the rear region of the sock sail in order to capture the design chord measure and design tautness. Aim to restore fit and function.

=> Accept Some Creeps and Adjust Flight-Control Strategies: To compensate for inevitable creep by adapting control techniques. Avoid accepting too much creep to avoid aerodynamic degradation; a flapping sail sock won't serve as well as a taut smooth sail sock. Aim for improved performance.
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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby JoeF » Sun Aug 11, 2024 9:18 am

Development Note Regarding a Means
to address Wing Sock Tautness and Chordwise Creep of Sock Sail


The former posted development note did not have the contents of the present note. This present note examines a line-captive V compression rib that has not been mentioned yet in this topic thread. Have two compression ribs set in a V formation with a special pressure-spreading fitting at the apex of the V; that fitting will be loose on the aft or fore spar depending on design choices and results of experiments. Then the two arms of the V are compression ribs with fore parts giving wing camber when compressed inside the wing sock. At the top of the ribs or top of V arms are fittings that also spread pressure on a wing spar. Importantly there is an elastic line that joins the two fittings that are at the ends of the spread-apart tips of the two ribs involved. The elastic line keeps the ends of those two ribs from spreading too far apart when installed; but the elastic connecting line also pulls the ends of the two ribs together forcing the sock to become taut; age creep or flight-forces creep of the chordwise threads of the sock will be mitigated by the elastic line pulling the two ends of the two ribs together. The selection of the elastic tension will be chosen to satisfy sock-tautness needs.
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Tiny Packed Hang Glider Movement TPHG

Postby JoeF » Sun Aug 11, 2024 2:23 pm

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See prior post just before this post for interpreting the drawing.

Yet, some notes:
See two elemental ribs forming a V shape.
See the red as an elastic with limit-spread sheath. Less than limit spread works to made the V into a sharper acute angle destined to spread fore and aft spars and to tauten sock sail chordwise.
See the ends of the two ribs fitted with fittings that spread the compressed ribs' pressure on the spars.
See the elemental ribs as made of two long parts joined; one part is bendable under compression and gives camber to the sock sail; the aft part stays straight.
To place the subassembly into the interior of the sock, have the elastic connected only to one pressure-spreading fitting. Once all such are inside the sock, then the other end of the elastics can be anchored in order to cause a spreading of the two spars of left wing or right wing. Access in the sock would need to be given; the access doors may be in the lower part of the sock. Zip up the access doors. Set flight and landing lines. Get ready for flying soon.
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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby Semper Fidelis » Mon Aug 12, 2024 8:25 am

I was talking with a friend of mine yesterday, and he told me that his RANGER hang glider from 1979 was already packed into a

1.55m !
(5ft + 1in in 1979)

Did you know about it ? Here is the HG bible list : https://www.delta-club-82.com/bible/433-deltaplane-ranger.htm

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