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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby JoeF » Tue Aug 27, 2024 10:39 am

1. Coupling Method: The assembly employs a Joe Cup as a flanged bushing to connect two carbon fiber (CF) tubes of different outer diameters (ODs).

2. Component Specifications:
- Larger Tube: OD of 40 mm, ID of 37 mm.
- Smaller Tube: OD of 36 mm, ID of 33 mm.

3. Joe Cup Construction:
- Material and Dimensions: The Joe Cup consists of a strap or tubular webbing approximately 300 mm in length.
- Flange Creation: The ends of the strap or tubular webbing are folded and sewn to form a loop that captures and bonds tiny rods. These rods create the flange of the Joe Cup.
- Central Region: The central region of the strap or webbing is designed to be pushed by the smaller CF tube during insertion into the larger CF tube.

4. Coupling Mechanism:
- The Joe Cup’s flange (created by the captured tiny rods) prevents the bushing from sinking into the larger diameter tube and maintains the axial alignment of the tubes.
- Insertion of the smaller tube into the larger tube stops when the tiny rods (flange) reach the visible join line of the two tubes.
- The Joe Cup remains in place due to the axial compression of the tubes, ensuring that the rods remain at the join line and the connection is secure.

5. Fit and Tolerances:
- The Joe Cup’s design ensures a precise and stable connection between the two tubes, preventing wobble and ensuring alignment.


Some nomenclature clarification surrounding Joe Cups:
Prompt: Does "flanged bushing" as an engineering term address that the bushing not only gap fills but also has a bottom that limits insertion?

Response: The term "flanged bushing" generally implies that the bushing has a flange or projection that serves a few purposes:

1. Gap Filling: It helps to fit or fill the gap between two components, ensuring a snug connection.
2. Limiting Insertion: The flange acts as a physical barrier or stop to prevent further insertion beyond a certain point.

However, "flanged bushing" may not explicitly convey the function of limiting insertion. To clarify that the bushing also prevents deeper insertion, you might use additional descriptors like:

- "Flanged Bushing with Depth Stop": This indicates that the bushing has a flange designed specifically to limit how far one component can be inserted into another.
- "Flanged Bushing with Internal Stop": This highlights that the bushing's flange or internal feature prevents deeper insertion.
- "Flanged Bushing with Axial Stop Feature": This emphasizes the bushing's role in preventing excessive axial movement.

In summary, while "flanged bushing" does imply some degree of limiting function, adding specific terms like "depth stop" or "axial stop feature" can more clearly communicate that the bushing also prevents excessive insertion.


Prompt: The inserted end of the CF tube should be plugged to give some non-sharp interface with the Joe Cup's strap or tubular webbing. The plug would have a radius edge that would not cut the strap or tubular webbing. Permanently putting such plug end on just one end of the CF tube would keep the interior of the tube available for tiny packing of other tubes or parts inside the one-end-plugged tube.

Response: To address this, the CF tube should have a plug installed at the inserted end to ensure a non-sharp interface with the Joe Cup's strap or tubular webbing.

1. Plug Design: The plug should feature a radius edge to avoid cutting or damaging the strap or webbing during insertion.
2. Installation: The plug is permanently attached to one end of the CF tube, which allows the other end of the tube to remain open for tiny packing of additional tubes or parts.
3. Functionality: This design helps to protect the strap or webbing from abrasion while maintaining the interior of the tube for compact storage.

This approach ensures both the durability of the coupling mechanism and the efficient use of space for packing.


Prompt: During flight force variations one might consider a Joe Cup that is of a strapping or tubular webbing that is elastic. Then when a meta spar of spar segments are given a sudden increase of axial compression from a change in flight loadings, the "give" of the elastic Joe Cup might be a favorable deal.

Response: Considering an elastic Joe Cup could be beneficial for accommodating flight force variations. Here's how it could work:

1. Elastic Material: The Joe Cup could be made from elastic strapping or tubular webbing that provides some flexibility.
2. Response to Axial Compression: When the meta spar experiences a sudden increase in axial compression due to changes in flight loadings, the elastic nature of the Joe Cup would allow it to absorb and accommodate these variations.
3. Benefits: The "give" of the elastic Joe Cup might reduce the impact of sudden load changes and enhance the overall stability and durability of the connection during flight.

This approach can provide a more forgiving interface, potentially improving the performance and longevity of the coupling mechanism under dynamic conditions.


Pros of an Elastic Joe Cup:

1. Accommodates Load Variations: The elasticity of the Joe Cup can help absorb and adapt to changes in axial loads, which is particularly beneficial during dynamic conditions like flight.

2. Reduces Stress Concentrations: The elastic material can help distribute forces more evenly across the coupling, reducing stress concentrations and potential points of failure.

3. Improves Flexibility: Elastic strapping or webbing allows for a more flexible connection, which can enhance the system's ability to handle movement and vibrations.

4. Enhances Durability: By providing a cushioning effect, the elastic Joe Cup may reduce wear and tear on both the bushing and the connected components, potentially extending the lifespan of the coupling.

5. Mitigates Shock Loads: The elastic nature can help in dampening shock loads or sudden force changes, making the system more resilient to abrupt impacts or load fluctuations.

6. Prevents Structural Damage: The flexibility of the elastic Joe Cup can minimize the risk of damaging the connected components or the Joe Cup itself during sudden load changes.

7. Improves System Stability: The ability to adapt to varying loads can contribute to overall system stability and performance, particularly in applications subject to frequent or significant force variations.

This approach leverages the properties of elastic materials to offer enhanced performance and resilience in dynamic environments.
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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby JoeF » Tue Aug 27, 2024 9:25 pm

TPHG Wing One Meter Pack, 1/2 Cubic Foot Pack Volume

I've developed a careful sketch for a TPHG wing design that I'm excited to explore. This wing measures one meter in packed length and aims to achieve a total pack volume of just 1/2 cubic feet, perfect for urban transport. Though small for my needs, it’s a 150 sq. ft, double-surface (DS) socked wing, designed for maximum efficiency in a compact form. The approximate beam pack dimensions are 1/3 ft x1/4 ft x 3+feet, with two socks folding and wrapping around this core, likely fitting into the 1/2 cubic foot volume. This would be quite the achievement!

The design features line-rigged fore and aft meta spars, each consisting of four spar segments for both the left and right wings. The longest packed beam is only one meter, making it incredibly portable. A slight increase in pack volume is anticipated to accommodate the line sets, which can be conveniently stored in a worn waist belt that also holds strap-based Joe Cups.

The wing is supported by a kingpost and two queenposts, with three pitch lines extending from the kingpost to the central-aft SS sail section behind the socks. This setup is intended to provide sufficient strength and stability for very conservative beach gliding, while maintaining the compactness required for a TPHG. If successful, there’s potential to beef up the design for greater strength and stability and safety margins. This build will offer valuable lessons about cambering compression ribs and sock tautening, as well as the challenges of assembly and line-tension adjustment. It will also be interesting to see what, if anything, breaks first!

This design represents a significant step forward in achieving a truly tiny packed hang glider, making it easier than ever to transport to and from flying sites. I'm eager to see how this build unfolds and welcome any thoughts or feedback from fellow hang glider enthusiasts.


Note: Adding weight and getting a bit more wing area might be tried by using wrapped two-piece couplers for joining the spar segments. I aim to try this mod besides the above sketched wing. The 24 pieces making the 12 coupling assemblies along with the tightening wraps will add a bit of mass. This experiment would not have overlapping
of the spar segments at the join scenes.
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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby Semper Fidelis » Tue Aug 27, 2024 11:50 pm

JoeF wrote: ... pretty parts! Bowsprit?

No bowsprit, no crossbar, try again :wave:

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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby Semper Fidelis » Tue Aug 27, 2024 11:53 pm

JoeF wrote:they do not solve the project.

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I do us this kind of packaging to put the HG into the bag. :thumbup:
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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby Semper Fidelis » Tue Aug 27, 2024 11:58 pm

JoeF wrote:TPHG Wing One Meter Pack, 1/2 Cubic Foot Pack Volume

...will add a bit of mass.


That becomes the biggest problem, the mass !

PS : It is interesting to see that I do work in Metric and I do talk to you in Imperial because you talk in Imperial and that today you talk in Metric :clap:

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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby dhmartens » Wed Aug 28, 2024 8:42 pm

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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby JoeF » Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:20 pm

Semper Fidelis,
Mix of metric and imperial units for this topic has been ongoing for years. E.g., it could be fun to revisit, say, the following post in this thread:
Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement
Postby JoeF » Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:33 pm


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Furthering some on that former post:
Patent documents: circa 1994
Ultra Léger Motorisé pendulaire (dit U.L.M.)
Ultra-Light Motorized Pendulum (known as U.L.M.)
"La présente invention a pour but, la réalisation d'une voilure pour Ultra Léger Motorisé pendulaire de structure et composants identiques à ceux de voilures classiques de ces engins, mais caractérisée en ce qu'elle est à montage et démontage (déploiement et repliage) automatiques, ainsi que d'encombrement d'empaquetage réduit à celui d'un colis compatible avec les capacités d'un véhicule léger (limousine 5 CV par exemple)."
5 CV (chevaux-vapeur) ...tax bracket.

"The purpose of the present invention is to create a wing for an Ultra-Light Motorized Pendulum with a structure and components identical to those of conventional wings of these devices, but characterized by the fact that it features automatic assembly and disassembly (deployment and folding), as well as reduced packaging size, compatible with the capacity of a light vehicle (such as a 5 CV sedan)."

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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby JoeF » Thu Aug 29, 2024 6:33 pm

We give some note leads:

LEIBE,GERNOT,DIPL.-ING.
DE3637691A1 Hang glider having a telescopic lateral rod or wing strut and a wing profile which can be clamped on by means of elastic sail slat
DE3637691A·1986-11-05


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And some investigation may yield fruit:
FR2261178A1 , circa 1972
CHAIZE GABY

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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby JoeF » Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:53 pm

The Joe Cup, as you've described it, is a sophisticated bushing design that incorporates multiple features to enhance the functionality of telescoping tubes. Here’s a breakdown of its features and potential applications:

Features of the Joe Cup

1. Closed Inner End:
- Shock Absorption: The closed end can house a thin rubber ring or gasket that absorbs shocks from axial compression loading, helping to reduce impact and wear on the tubes.
- Insertion Limiter: This closed end also acts as a stop, preventing the inserted tube from going too far into the outer tube, which can help in controlling the compression and alignment.

2. Flanged Design:
- Insertion Limiter: The flange on the Joe Cup limits how far the outer tube can insert into the Joe Cup, ensuring a precise and controlled fit.
- Additional Roles: The flange can serve additional functions, such as providing a mounting point for rigging lines or other attachments, particularly in applications like hang glider spars.

3. Design Versatility:
- Rigging Attachments: In a hang glider spar application, the flange could be designed to include attachment points for rigging lines, enhancing the functionality of the spar assembly.

Applications and Benefits

1. Hang Glider Spars:
- Shock Absorption: The rubber ring helps absorb shocks during flight, protecting the spar assembly from high-impact forces.
- Controlled Insertion: The insertion limiter ensures that the spar segments are properly aligned and do not over-compress, maintaining the integrity of the glider.

2. Structural Integrity:
- Preventing Over-Compression: By limiting the insertion depth, the Joe Cup helps in maintaining the structural integrity of the tubing and preventing potential damage from excessive compression.

3. Enhanced Rigging:
- Flange Use: The flange can be designed to accommodate rigging lines or other attachments, making it a multifunctional component in the spar assembly.

4. Ease of Assembly:
- Guided Insertion: The Joe Cup's design helps guide the insertion of the tubes, making assembly easier and ensuring that the components fit together correctly.

Implementation Tips

- Material Selection: Choose materials for the Joe Cup and rubber ring that are compatible with the carbon fiber tubes and the expected loads. Ensure that they offer the necessary strength and durability.
- Precision Machining: Ensure that the Joe Cup is precisely machined to match the dimensions of the tubes and to provide a snug fit. Any misalignment can affect performance.
- Testing: Test the Joe Cup in the actual application to ensure that it functions as intended, absorbs shocks effectively, and aligns properly.

By incorporating the Joe Cup design into your telescoping tubes, you can enhance the performance and versatility of your assembly, particularly in applications requiring precise control and additional functionality.

:arrow: Note: When a segment spar is made of circular cross-section tubing and is used as a torsion-resisting spar for mounted sprogs or the like, then the Joe Cup alone will not suffice because rotation of segments may occur when a twisting force is applied to the metal spar or one of its segments. Shear pins integrate spar segments to address the torsion need, when needed. Some TPHG may not have to resist spar-segment or meta-spar torsion and so would not need the shear pinning and their holes, especially if the meta spar is in axial loading caused from using rigging lines that pull segments toward the keel.
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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby JoeF » Fri Aug 30, 2024 6:45 am

Notice: The previous note assumed the use of tubes with a circular cross-section. However, if the joining tubes had a triangular, square, hexagonal, or octagonal cross-section, those shapes would naturally resist torsion without the need for a shear pin. In such cases, a Joe Cup alone could suffice for the joints, as long as the segments remain under axial compression, which could be maintained if the wing is line-braced to upper and lower posts.
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