That's funny. You seem to have left out the part...
Our only requirement is that any attacks have to come from people who are willing to give their real identity.
But it's skating near the thin ice if you want to remain an anonymous "Nobody".
He copied and pasted a QUOTE with not so much as a punctuation mark's worth of commentary on it one way or another. The title of the thread is a totally neutral simple abbreviation of the original subject title.
If one knows NOTHING about the individuals being discussed or the author of the post (Jack Axaopoulos - if you've been trapped in a coal mine for the past couple of years) ANY IDIOT can tell that the author is a clone of Joseph Stalin.
So how is that you justify characterizing Nobody's post as an ATTACK?
You seem to have left out the part...
He also left out the Magna Carta and the Gettysburg Address. It's a self standing QUOTE with no out-of-context issues.
Your post is fine if you're willing to stand behind it...
He doesn't need to stand behind anything by doing anything. NONE of the post is anything he wrote or pretends to stand behind. It's a QUOTE.
...but I can see how you interpreted it as such.
Your vision's a whole lot better than mine.
I figure if you can't say it on broadcast TV, then it doesn't belong here.
First person singular again. Well *I* don't figure it that way. I'm not happy about watching broadcast TV with the First Amendment gutted by the brain dead fascist Sunday school teachers who control this country. It's perfectly OK for Jack Bauer to blow somebody's kneecap off in the course of an interrogation but George Patton can't say, "No b*****d ever won an war...".
Also, it's long been accepted that yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater may be punished by law in spite of the First Amendment (unless there really is a fire).
Aside from scale and immediacy of results, how much more deadly is doing that than telling a new (and shortly to be dead) pilot:
Cragin Shelton - 2005/09/17
You are not hooked in until after the hang check.
I don't think most of the people that Tad has called MFs have actually performed that act.
And NOBODY interprets one of those characterizations by ANYBODY as an indication that ANYONE has.
So these are just stupid statements, and Tad's inability to control his use of them is part of his pathology.
How 'bout this one, Bob:
miguel - 2011/10/19
Nope when you are thought of as a dildeau, you are simply a dildeau.
Do we REALLY need to get upset about stuff like this? Haven't we got much better things to be upset about and spend our time on? Maybe this focus is actually part of YOUR pathology. But I don't really give a rat's a** about people's pathologies on these forums as long as it isn't compromising anybody's flying.
My goal for the US Hawks was to be respectful of people's free speech with the hope that they would return that gesture with respectful speech of their own.
Well I'm part of US Hawks and that's not MY goal. Some people's free speech is worthy of respect and others' really needs just the opposite - fast and in no uncertain terms.
Maybe that was a mistaken premise to start with.
Welcome to reality.
I'm rethinking whether it can really work.
OF COURSE IT CAN WORK!!!
Ive really enjoyed the new peace at the org. Its been a lot quieter and more fun here. Lets keep it that way.
Jason Dyer - 2010/04/03
awww, I'm going to miss him.
I think in principal he has a good thing going, but his bedside manor needs a little work Anyone that goes against his grain is misquoted and bullied somewhere in a full page of opinion and strife.
Thanks Davis, it will be a better place without him.
Just get rid of all the troublemakers and things run smooth as glass with everyone agreeing with and respectful of everyone.
But the constant stream of attacks is counter-productive to accomplishing anything.
Depends on who's getting attacked and what you're trying to accomplish.
If Tad wants to mandate that everyone who doesn't do a "lift and tug" or use his release system should have their ratings removed...
Can you quote me - ANYWHERE EVER - pushing either of those agendas?
If the members vote it down and Tad feels it's important, then he can do what I've done and try to start a new organization.
1. You're talking about bringing USHGA "pilots" in and recognizing their ratings.
2. ALL pilot ratings include THIS provision:
With each flight, demonstrates a method of establishing that the pilot is hooked in just prior to launch.
Virtually all USHGA "pilots" were illegally signed of without EVER complying with it and virtually all USHGA "pilots" violate that provision EVERY TIME they leave a ramp.
3. So what's the point in recognizing or even having pilot ratings?
...then he can do what I've done and try to start a new organization.
He can also spend his time writing insurance companies and public land management officials recommending that they have nothing to do with ANOTHER incompetent irresponsible aviation organization.
But to bring it up over and over and over is essentially spamming the forum.
bulls***. I don't post Viagra advertisements and no spammer takes the effort to write the way I do for as tiny a demographic - whether or not someone characterizes it as blah blah blah.
Where do we draw the line?
Everybody knows spam when they see it, it's a pretty black and white issue, and we know how to deal with it.
Do we need to institute Robert's Rules of Order for online meetings?
Yeah, let's do that. Capital idea.
But Sam is trying to grow his club and get people involved in his forum.
Al Hernandez - 2011/06/25
Martin and I, arrived at Leakey at 10:45 am, the sky was a blue color, with few disappearing clouds in the area, winds 8mph to 14mph and not too much lift on Friday.
On one of his not counted flight, Martin broke a weaklink at low altitude, causing an 80 ft free flight on his glider, the right wing was up, and flew way off to the right side of the runway, the glider flew over the airport fence, over the trees and house, for a little while, He managed to get his Falcon in control and landed safely back on runway...
And competence is a huge threat to Sam and a lot of the people he wants involved and Sam knows just how to deal with it.
You can't argue against the fact that Tad drives lots of people away.
And you also can't argue against the fact that a lot of the people in hang gliding NEED to be driven away...
However, he took off without attaching himself.
In a video, he was seen to hold on to the glider for about 50 meters before hitting power lines.
Rooney and the passenger fell about 15 meters to the ground.
...before they kill themselves and/or somebody else.
And you can't argue against the fact that Tad pulls in a lot more people than he drives away - as is pretty obviously the case here at US Hawks.
He drives them away almost as well as pages and pages of spam.
And of course you can document what you're saying - right?
I'm sorry you got painted with that brush....
Yep, gettin' painted with the Tad brush. Can't think of anything more degrading.
..but Sam has the right to make the decisions on his forum.
Does he also have the RIGHT to be a US Hawks chapter? Any RESPONSIBILITIES that go along with that designation?
I just carry them out at his direction.
I vas only following orders.
Even if Tad is restricted to the "Free Speech Zone" (which I hope doesn't happen)...
Makes it sound like something totally beyond your control.
...that's far better than was allowed by Jack or Davis.
Join a National Hang Gliding Organization: US Hawks at ushawks.org! Not as bad as USHGA, Jack, or Davis!
But I can't let the main forum get a black eye for a high level of profanity in the search engines.
1. And yet:
Great!! Now try googling "US Hawks".
You'll find that term is often used in connection with US politics, but "US Hawks Hang Gliding Association" still comes up on the FIRST page (third from the top) despite the common use of those terms in other contexts.
But we simply CAN'T take ANY chance on this issue.
2. Yeah, that would kill it fer sure. And it would give the general public the impression that hang glider pilots use four letter words when their setting up, launching, breaking weak links, and landing. So YOU simply CAN'T let that happen.
Does that seem fair to you?
Do I get a vote? No.
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