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bobk
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:27 am Post subject: HGAA: Call for Leaders and Founders |
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HGAA: Call for Leaders and Founders
I suspect there might be enough interest in creating a new national
flying organization that I'd like to put out a call for Leaders and
Founders who would like to be a part of defining and shaping such a new
organization.
At this point, I don't want to put any constraints on the form or
purpose of that new organization. Instead I'd like to simply gather
people together to discuss the possibility of actually forming such an
organization to be announced more formally on July 4th, 2010 (U.S.
Independence Day).
I am asking for people willing to participate as either Leaders
and/or Founders. I see Leaders as those willing to actually take on
some of the work (whether it's building a web site, or investigating
insurance, or serving on the Board), while I see Founders as people who
don't have time for a leadership role but want to put their own names
on the list of those who supported the first phase of this new
organization.
Finally, since this organization is in its first phase, it's hard
to say who will actually support what we end up with. Maybe I won't end
up supporting whatever comes out of a month of discussions. So being a
Founding member is not an obligation to support the organization
forever, but simply a statement that you would like to support the
effort to discuss and define that new organization. Anyone who signs up
between now and July 4th, 2010 will be considered a Founding member and
will retain that title for as long (or short) as they want it.
If there is enough interest, then I think we can do this. If there isn't, then this will finally tell me that as well.
Sincerely,
Bob Kuczewski
June 4th, 2010
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:39 am Post subject: |
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Call me what you wish, but I'm willing to put up both time and money.
JB
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Dennis D
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:52 am Post subject: |
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Hi Bob,
I'd love to help, perhaps volunteer in some clerical areas or
whatnot, but I don't think I should be either a leader or a founder, as
an un-rated pilot, it just doesn't seem proper.
But, yes, I would enjoy helping out.
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:01 am Post subject: |
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Im
in with the web help. If it builds enough steam over the long haul,
(this will be a long marathon, not a race), ill slowly build the fully
online new HG national org that is so damn "google efficient" you'll be
able to run it with a tiny handful of people to keep costs to a bare
minimum 
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bobk
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| Dennis D wrote: |
| I'd
love to help, perhaps volunteer in some clerical areas or whatnot, but
I don't think I should be either a leader or a founder, as an un-rated
pilot, it just doesn't seem proper. |
Dennis, if you're willing to be there to lift this organization off the
ground (remember, always launch with plenty of speed), then you're a
Founding member for as long as you'd like to be one. 
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bobk
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:18 am Post subject: |
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Joe
Faust posted the following message to another topic, and I wanted to
include it here as part of the new organization's history (Joe was
USHGA member #5, and was featured in the movie "Big Blue Sky").
| joefaust wrote: |
| Bob Kuczewski wrote: |
| Anyone who wants to be a Founding Member just needs to speak up and say so. |
"So" I say. I'm in. I like being a founding member. I would like
"5" as my number; that matches what I chose for the second org; for the
first org I chose "0" as I held Otto Lilienthal as "1" . I put forwad
for Richard Eipper, and he accepted, "1" for the second org. And for
this new org coming July 4th, though "2" might be the inline, I ask for
"5" to match my USHPA. "5" reminds me of "Family" from my number-lore
acquaintance.
Could SG's structure carry the new org pages? Form a section for the org to play?
If new members want me to sign over the domain registration rights for HGAusa
then I offer it free of charge upon some kind of substantial vote. Of
course there are thousands of other possible domain names; I just want
to offer this into the new org's options. I would vacate the contents
to my other sites and the new org's webmaster would be given the
control keys to serve up the desires of the new org. |
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joefaust
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| Dennis D wrote: |
Hi Bob,
.... as an un-rated pilot, ...
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Dennis,
1. In one perspective, joining in no way should bother your chosen path of being rated.
2. In one perspective you just ...seems to me ... acted radically
to be rated as "un-rated" which is a rating status. In one path of
rating, you could rate yourself as already qualified over many actions
and skills, I would venture. Try it; rate yourself on something in hang
gliding. Declare such proudly. What is it that you know pretty well;
rate yourself as having that knowledge and perhaps skill.
Just received firm notice of another founding member of new org:
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bobk
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| joefaust wrote: |
| Dennis, ... Try it; rate yourself on something in hang gliding. Declare such proudly. |
Sometimes the things that Joe says are so far from what we've been
told, that they seem crazy. But when you take a step outside of the box
we've been in, they take on a new shade of reason. USHPA has put so
many "hoops" in front of us as pilots, that we find ourselves focusing
more on jumping through them than we do on developing our own sense of
skill ... and our own sense of restraint. In fact, it might be that our
own sense of self-assessment is being lost because we rely so heavily
on having someone else give us their stamp of approval.
I don't know if we can abandon the virtues of having an objective
outside review of our skills (ratings), but there's a lot to be said
for retaining as much self-reliance and self-awareness as possible.
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:42 am Post subject: |
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| Is there a name yet ?
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:49 am Post subject: |
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I'd also help. Hey Joe, perhaps take Eddie's personal information off.
I'm hoping for a lean organization. 1-level rating. No non-pilot president on payroll.
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:53 am Post subject: |
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How about USHGA and use this for the logo:
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:56 am Post subject: |
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And even add HANG GLIDING to the MISSION STATEMENT.
Image that! 
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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Good one, tipvortex.
Just for the record: I have nothing against a joined association with paragliders. Especially if it helps us getting insurance.
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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I
would be willing to act as a moderator on the forum of this new
organization. I have access to the Internet pretty much all day long as
I am a network admin where I work.
I am all for options and never turn down having a choice. Being a
noob, in this sport I don't have an opinion either way when it comes to
a new organization or the USHPA. I just know choices are always a good
thing.
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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For those who didn't see it on the other topic, Joe Faust has offered
up his own long-standing web domain for the new organization - HGAUSA.
So that's one possibility on the table already. I think all the
Founders (in other words, everyone who wants to be a Founding member -
between now and July 4th) should participate in that decision. Maybe we
can have an on-line vote. I'd like to see this entire organization be
run on-line ... and out in the open. Let's start like that from the
very beginning.
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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HGAA = Hang Gliding Association of America
Some available domains are:
hgaa.org
hgaa.us
Short and sweet. HGAUSA isn't bad but it doesn't seem to roll off the tongue like Hang Gliding Association of America
just my 2 cents.
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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| $!>< wrote: |
| HGAA ... Short and sweet. ... just my 2 cents. |
That's 2 cents that we didn't have before!! Thanks for the donation and the good ideas for names!
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, Joe doesn't fool around. If you go to that web site it's already operating and points to this topic!!!
That's what we need in a new organization ... more "doers" and less "don'ters".
Thanks Joe!!
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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I just got a PM from darkcloud that he'd like to be a Founding Member.
Anyone who's interested in joining is also welcome to chime in right here.
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