HGAA: Call for Leaders and Founders

flyhigh013 · Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:39 pm Post subject:

Don't let him fool you... Tom actually wants to completely ban hang gliding from Torrey Shocked

I know him personally, and he has no interest in bettering the sport of hang gliding, or taking the time to help new students.

He's like me, just out to 'derail' everyone's efforts Laughing

fly,surf,&ski · Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:53 pm Post subject:

flyhigh013 · Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:22 pm Post subject:

HGXC · 3 thumbs up Joined: 22 Jul 2006 Posts: 2151

fly,surf,&ski · Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:39 pm Post subject:

flyhigh013 · Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:06 pm Post subject:

I was just using sarcasm to make the point that, just because someone voices an opinion that doesn't echo the others, it doesn't mean they're against the others... it could actually be someone trying to help...

In this case it was Tom... but I could relate...

gluesniffer · 3 thumbs up Joined: 11 Aug 2009 Posts: 319 Location: 5150

Holger · Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:20 pm Post subject:

Jason · Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:59 pm Post subject:

bobk · Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:26 pm Post subject:

Ryan and Tom,

I'm going to ask you again to please post your comments to the proper topic. There is another topic dedicated to discussing whether a new organization is "good" or "bad" for hang gliding. Please post those kinds of comments there.

This topic is for those who've already decided that they'd like to see if we can build a better national organization. If you'd like to help with that process, then you're both more than welcome. I mean that very sincerely.

Thanks.

sam kellner · Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:21 am Post subject:

Count me in, for shure! Add me to the list!! And, I'd like to have our local air field designated as the FIRST new assn. HGA flying site.

I have been watching the discussion and want to say sooooo much.

An assn. that is exclusively for hang gliding is surely a step in the correct direction. I feel abused/abandoned by USHpA.

Hopefully the new assn. will recognize that SW Texas should be-- exploited-- to grow the sport.

So many of the existing world records set in this area and only two events a year??? WRE and BigSpring. Monopoly?? No flight parks? No foot launch?

And meanwhile, the USHpA officials manipulate to have top comps moved out of this area, and moved to their respective regions. Everyone knows that story!

A salute to each of you on the list!!

Fly More,
Sam Kellner
USHGA #16016
hwy83@ Leakey,Tx
between Zapata and BigSpring

$!>< · Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:17 am Post subject:

Ah....more betterer:

The List

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BBJCaptain
blindrodie
bobk
Cal Glider
ChattaroyMan
ClandestineSwine
darkcloud
Davedebogusone
Dennis D
dscotts
Eddie Paul
fly,surf,&ski
Flyking
gluesniffer
HangLoose
hgflyer
HGXC
Holger
Jason
JB
jspin72
joefaust
Ken Bryenton
knumbknuts
miguel
mtpilot
OSCAR
sam kellner
SeeMarkFly
SkyPilot
skypilot155
SG
synclavier
tipvortex
Windlord
Wingspan34

Waiting Confirmation:

Rebardan (?)
slimchance (?)

If you were missed, sorry. Yell and it will be corrected.

flyhigh013 · Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:25 am Post subject:

Paul H · Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:39 am Post subject:

Ryan V voices made some very valid points. So far this "new" HG org is still non-existent, but there are people seeming to get excited about joining it. What actual work has been done to establish a viable organization? Compiling a list of people who want to be a member does nothing to get things up and running. There was already an attempt years ago, during the waiver fiasco, to start a competing HG association. It was under the umbrella of an established group and even with that headstart it still failed. There's a lot more to it than just saying you want to start one. Somebody actually has to do the work and keep doing it AND it has to provide services and benefits that people want.

$!>< · Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:40 am Post subject:

I think the whole purpose of these threads is to get the ball rolling. It is more like a declaration that a new ORG is forming and a roll call of who would like to be part of it. That starts with establishing some sort of area where said members can then conjure and bounce thoughts off each other. This in NO WAY means that anything is going to change in the near future therefore, it will not affect the current status quo of USHPA, insurance or anything else for that matter.
The only thing this is doing is seeing who is in and giving them a forum to express their ideas of how things should be done. I would certainly hope that the new org would be able to approach an insurance vendor with a list of hundreds or thousands of names to get a REAL quote instead of 20-30 people and be laughed out the front door.
All of this is going to take time and this is actually where people like YOU and Tom would shape it. We can't possible try to seriously throw this together on a couple of threads in a forum that is open to anyone to just post what they want.

A new ORG site must be established first, membership must grow with hopefully members that will contribute to how it will be shaped, and then vendors can be approached with real numbers.

We can put the cart before the horse. This is a big chicken or egg scenario and should be looked at as such for quite some time to come.

bobk · Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:44 am Post subject:

Ryan,

Here was my response which you never answered on the other topic:

bobk · Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:48 am Post subject:

bobk · Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:51 am Post subject:

bobk · Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:20 am Post subject:

I just want to add one more comment regarding the "nay sayers" before we can hopefully move on to the topic of leadership...

We know that there are many pilots who are currently NOT members of USHPA. They've been discouraged or disgusted or turned off in one form or another.

If we can start a new organization that attracts those people (even if it takes some members away from USHPA) then we will have a BIGGER PIE than we had before. If we can share insurance costs across both organizations then we will actually be able to lower costs AND allow everyone to live within the kind of organization that they want.

Anyone who rejects that notion is NOT arguing about insurance costs. Instead they're really arguing about power and trying to retain it for themselves.

flyhigh013 · Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:22 am Post subject:

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