HGAA: Call for Leaders and Founders

bobk · Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:11 pm Post subject: Costs...

I was thinking about my own target membership price of $50 for the new organization compared to USHPA's $75.

I don't know what USHPA is paying Paul Montville, but with benefits and expenses it's probably on the order of $100,000 per year (+/- a factor of 2).

If we have 10,000 members, in rough numbers, that means that $10 of our $75 fee could be saved just by eliminating that one position (the savings get proportionally bigger as our numbers get smaller). We'd still have all the full time staff. We'd still have all the insurance. We'd still have all the Board members ... and their reimbursed travel expenses. We'd still have the office and the telephones and copying machines and Foundation and everything else. We'd even still have the magazine!

Just something to think about when we're considering how to deliver a more competitive product to our members.

blindrodie · Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:15 am Post subject:

I would be willing to pay $100 a year...

That's 0.2739726 cents per day folks. Cool

This would also help with insurance premiums within a smaller group.

tipvortex · Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:32 am Post subject:

flyhigh013 · Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:41 am Post subject:

Not trying to rock the boat... but seems a little early to collect money... yesterday you guys were telling me no one knows crucial information about the org's priorities...

sg · Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 12:34 pm Post subject:

That is correct.

And according to wikipedia

"Unless otherwise provided by law, the organization does not formally exist until bylaws have been adopted."

So we dont even exist. But that shouldnt stop potential members from pledging possible future funds.

Wish we would hurry up and finish the name voting. Could have a majority with 4 more votes. Then we can start collaborating on our bylaws (err constitution) Mr. Green

I have another forum ready to go for this.

Jacmac · Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:39 pm Post subject:

I think most people over at The Oz Report know I've been an advocate of this or at least some kind of division within the USHPA for several years now. I think the community is somewhat split on a new organization, but if another existed, I think a lot of those people might join if it looked like it was making any headway at all. It's time for something new, so I would be happy to pay dues for a new org if there is enough interest.

BubbleBoy · 2 thumbs up Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 2227

topgun21 · Joined: 13 Apr 2007 Posts: 54 Location: Fresno, CA

I would like to offer my resources in creating a new Org that focuses on the needs of its members! I also agree that when the time comes for money I would pay more to get more.

SkyPilot · Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 5:36 pm Post subject:

sg · Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 6:49 pm Post subject:

We will need ALL kinds of volunteers... thats for sure.
PR people, graphic artists, writers, computer programmers, managers, etc...

Just need to settle on the name... then we can start collaborating on a new site.

I will make hg.org one of the first member websites and provide for a sub-forum here for the new org, for fun stuff. Biz/org stuff will occur on a new forum.

Well... at least thats my offer. The members can decide on the details.

bobk · Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:11 pm Post subject: Call for Leaders

Call for Leaders

Before we leave this forum, I think we should establish a group of leaders for the new organization. I think it's important to do it here because most of our Founding members know this site and visit regularly.

I've created one more topic (sorry for so many, but hopefully it will be the last of the "bootstrapping" topics) to call for leaders. I'm asking each founding member to list 3 people who they feel would represent their views on a "Transition Team" to get us formed up by July 4th. That Transition Team will do its work in the open (on one forum or another). I'm especially asking for nominees who have been active forum members so we don't have to wait so long for votes. All members will be able to participate in the discussions, but the voting should go much faster with a smaller and more active group.

Thanks for your consideration.

PilotGuy · Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:39 am Post subject:

I'd like to jump on board as a founder. I was a little hesitant, wondering if this flickering flame would turn into a fire or just burn out (obviously I'm rooting for it) but then I was reminded that if you don't try, you don't succeed. Count me in!

Windlord · Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:45 am Post subject:

SeeMarkFly · Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 4:08 pm Post subject: Tell a friend.

July 4th is the cutoff for Founding Fathers to get their name in.
I just sent off an email to some flying friends of mine that don't frequent this web site.
Hoping to drum up a bit more interest (talent).

Everyone here should do likewise.
Tell a friend.

knumbknuts · Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:08 pm Post subject:

I will pay dues,

Even without insurance.

If I can prove liability insurance already, (I have a rider on my renter's policy), should be able to show proof of that and then allocate the dues to the general fund.

But, here's my real contribution. I'll be the one who applies for the San Diego Hang Gliding Permit so we can fly Torrey and pay exactly the amount on the lease, last I saw, $5 and none of this $100 for a tandem bullshit.

Dennis D · Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:19 pm Post subject:

I too would pay $100.00 per year to belong to HGAA

Scare! · 1 thumbs up Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 89

Count me in as both Leader and Founder. If you're going to use "... of America" in the name, you'll need representatives in Canada (and Mexico, and South America).

hgflyer · 3 thumbs up Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Posts: 2700

If your serious? That would be cool to have you. If your just here as a plant to sew seeds of frustration, confusion, negativety, doubt, arrogance? You can go back to the OZ report.

Scare wrote: Count me in as both Leader and Founder. If you're going to use "... of America" in the name, you'll need representatives in Canada (and Mexico, and South America).

Davedebogusone · Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:36 pm Post subject:

KK wrote

Scare! · 1 thumbs up Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 89

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